Richard the Third

[french frank]

I thought it was interesting to see how the facial reconstruction compared with (near) contemporary portraits. And to those of us who think of him as looking much like a middle-aged Laurence Olivier with a wig and false nose, it comes as a shock to remember that he was only 32 when he was killed.

[Ferretfancy]

so is Richard 3 the only one of our monarchs of whom we hadn't thus far known the burial place? or are there others to find ?

I believe I'm right in saying that James II has no known grave.

[Anna]

I thought it was interesting to see how the facial reconstruction compared with (near) contemporary portraits. And to those of us who think of him as looking much like a middle-aged Laurence Olivier with a wig and false nose, it comes as a shock to remember that he was only 32 when he was killed.

Bit of a Babe then, frenchie?
Sorry. Ahem, as you were ...
I have also to agree with Mandryka, it's a fact that villains are indeed sexy, charismatic and can (in the distasteful language Mandryka employs) pull the crumpet.
So, Richard III can now have it both ways, maligned sweetie who did not murder, and cut down in his prime, and ruthless Uncle who was no better than he ought to be! A win-win situation for him!
Edit: That is my last word on the subject.

[JFLL]

Is there by any chance an Edward V society to put the opposition point of view?

[Mary Chambers]

I have also to agree with Mandryka, it's a fact that villains are indeed sexy, charismatic and can (in the distasteful language Mandryka employs) pull the crumpet.

Only the more stupid crumpet, I'd have thought. I don't find villains at all attractive, personally, but then I don't imagine they'd think much of me either.

[Anna]

Only the more stupid crumpet, I'd have thought. I don't find villains at all attractive, personally, but then I don't imagine they'd think much of me either.

Thank you Mary, for giving me a good laugh before I went off line!

[Mandryka]

So, Richard III can now have it both ways, maligned sweetie who did not murder, and cut down in his prime, and ruthless Uncle who was no better than he ought to be! A win-win situation for him!
Edit: That is my last word on the subject.

He's controversial, inspires passion in both his advocates and his detractors, is one of the few English monarchs that EVERYONE has an image or impression of, has a Shakespeare play written about him and will be endlessly debated as long as there is such a thing as History.

That's what it takes to be a winner. :)

[Tony Halstead]

He's controversial, inspires passion in both his advocates and his detractors, is one of the few English monarchs that EVERYONE has an image or impression of, has a Shakespeare play written about him and will be endlessly debated as long as there is such a thing as History.

That's what it takes to be a winner. :)

[Mr Pee]

None of that really amounts to any real development of the history though, does it?
History surely is about studying why and how things happened. I can't really see what this adds, other than some interesting detail, to the understanding of the history.

Well it's adding up all the little interesting details that eventually give us the bigger picture, isn't it? And thus we increase our understanding of the history.

[Bryn]

The problems start when skepticism steps across the line into cynicism.

[Mr Pee]

The problems start when skepticism steps across the line into cynicism.

Nicely put, Bryn.

[amateur51]

Aren't we getting a little far from known reality, Ams? If evidence has been falsified, then the whole thing is a hoax, in which case scepticism wins the day. But in order for that to be so, there'd have to be quite a wide-ranging conspiracy, wouldn't there? How likely is that?

In the real world, this possibility does not carry weight equal to that of the official version. It could be true, but it is not likely in the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing.

Now that's being sceptical.

I was responding to Mr Pee's patter of dancing-with-delight feet that the DNA matched up absolutely. Cyril Burt's findings on inherited intelligence began to be questioned when his data matching was accurate to three places of decimals.

That's all

[amateur51]

Um..well, I have now, but what any of that article has to do with DNA matching or the discovery of Richard III, I have absolutely no idea.

But thanks for the link anyway....

You didn't read the article did you? It has to be all colour and movement with you

[LeMartinPecheur]

Only the more stupid crumpet, I'd have thought. I don't find villains at all attractive, personally, but then I don't imagine they'd think much of me either.

Mary: isn't the nub of the problem actually spotting the villain before subsequent events and 'the judgment of history' have handed the tag to us on a plate? That's why I take time to study, as best I can, how it was that many millions of ordinary, cultured, even intelligent-and-moral Germans, not to mention quite a few such Brits, singularly failed to spot Hitler as a villain in the making before it was far too late.

Can you really be dead sure you wouldn't have melted to a young Richard III is he'd really turned it on for you?

Can I really be sure I won't think Frederick J Hitler, a UK citizen keen to restore its 'proper place in the world' to our noble country, really rather a good chap who should have his go at running things? Especially if the bottom really does fall out of our society and economy in an even bigger 'Great Crash'. After all, there's not a very brilliant choice among the present lot is there??

[Mandryka]

Mary: isn't the nub of the problem actually spotting the villain before subsequent events and 'the judgment of history' have handed the tag to us on a plate? That's why I take time to study, as best I can, how it was that many millions of ordinary, cultured, even intelligent-and-moral Germans, not to mention quite a few such Brits, singularly failed to spot Hitler as a villain in the making before it was far too late.

Can you really be dead sure you wouldn't have melted to a young Richard III is he'd really turned it on for you?

Can I really be sure I won't think Frederick J Hitler, a UK citizen keen to restore its 'proper place in the world' to our noble country, really rather a good chap who should have his go at running things? Especially if the bottom really does fall out of our society and economy in an even bigger 'Great Crash'. After all, there's not a very brilliant choice among the present lot is there??

An awful lot of people fell for Tony Blair, didn't they?