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  • amateur51

    Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
    An awful lot of people fell for Tony Blair, didn't they?
    Well, after thirteen years of Thatcher & Major, can you blame them for falling for 'Things Can Only Get Better'?
    Last edited by Guest; 05-02-13, 21:13. Reason: activate the whistle

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    • MrGongGong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 18357

      Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
      Well, after thirteen years of Thatcher & Major, can you blame them for falling for 'Things Can Only Get Better'? ;whistle:
      not his greatest work IMV

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      • gurnemanz
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        • Nov 2010
        • 7382

        A headline in my paper suggests that the discovery of the eminent skeleton will make Leicester a popular tourist destination.... A trifle optimistic?

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
          A headline in my paper suggests that the discovery of the eminent skeleton will make Leicester a popular tourist destination.... A trifle optimistic?


          There's a cracking Wetherspoons and a gay pub that does Karaoke on Tuesdays and .....
          Last edited by Guest; 05-02-13, 21:17. Reason: trypos

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          • MrGongGong
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
            A headline in my paper suggests that the discovery of the eminent skeleton will make Leicester a popular tourist destination.... A trifle optimistic?
            I'm a big fan of Leicester
            Great curry (the best Dosa's outside Tooting)
            Great music (DMU & De Montfort Hall)
            Some wonderful buildings (Peacock Cafe for a start)
            Great market
            until recently the greatest prog record shop in the universe

            what's not to love ?

            and gay pub that does Karaoke on Tuesdays
            which combined with the electroacoustic festival at DMU makes it a perfect destination

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            • teamsaint
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 25202

              The Space Centre.
              decent sport.
              That festival with the Oysterband, (though that got moved I think).
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • MrGongGong
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                • Nov 2010
                • 18357

                This place




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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26524

                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  Astonishing.

                  Plus it's at the heart of some of the best place and street names in the country:

                  Kirkby Muxloe
                  Barton-in-the-Beans
                  Frisby-on-the-Wreake
                  Newtown Unthank
                  Flesh Hovel Lane
                  Raw Dykes
                  Butthole Lane
                  Along The Bottom

                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25202

                    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                    Astonishing.

                    Plus it's at the heart of some of the best place and street names in the country:

                    Kirkby Muxloe
                    Barton-in-the-Beans
                    Frisby-on-the-Wreake
                    Newtown Unthank
                    Flesh Hovel Lane
                    Raw Dykes
                    Butthole Lane
                    Along The Bottom

                    Surely made up over a leisurely lunch....in Carlton Scroop?
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26524

                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      Surely made up over a leisurely lunch....in Carlton Scroop?
                      All true, me duck! ('cept the lunch bit)
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • teamsaint
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 25202

                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        All true, me duck! ('cept the lunch bit)
                        interesting expression that...I have heard some convoluted things about it coming from French , (Medoc?), but personally, I think it refers , in fact, to ducks.
                        "Ta Duckie." Like your own little bit of the East Midlands if you use it regularly !!
                        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 12242

                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          Astonishing.

                          Plus it's at the heart of some of the best place and street names in the country:

                          Kirkby Muxloe
                          Barton-in-the-Beans
                          Frisby-on-the-Wreake
                          Newtown Unthank
                          Flesh Hovel Lane
                          Raw Dykes
                          Butthole Lane
                          Along The Bottom

                          I have close friends who live not a million miles away from Barton-in-the-Beans and when I used to work with the female half of the couple we had many a laugh at some of the place names thereabouts. I was near there a fortnight ago.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26524

                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            interesting expression that...I have heard some convoluted things about it coming from French , (Medoc?), but personally, I think it refers , in fact, to ducks.
                            "Ta Duckie." Like your own little bit of the East Midlands if you use it regularly !!
                            "Me duck" is a phrase from my Nottingham roots, heard in many a shop.

                            "Duckie" has a slightly different connotation...
                            Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 05-02-13, 23:50.
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Mr Pee
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3285

                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              You didn't read the article did you? It has to be all colour and movement with you
                              And there we are, sadly; the usual insulting deprecation.

                              I did read the article, and it contains nothing whatsoever that is relevant.
                              Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                              Mark Twain.

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                              • Pabmusic
                                Full Member
                                • May 2011
                                • 5537

                                Originally posted by Anna View Post
                                There is an article in The Guardian about the form of DNA they were testing, mitochondria, which is not the same as the main DNA. I will not attempt to elaborate, being no scientist!
                                A mitochondrial DNA match does not always yield perfect results as two people could have the same type simply by chance


                                However, given what the article says about the DNA probably not being conclusive, I still believe that given the location, the wounds and the curvature of the spine that this is certainly Richard III. Also, it appears the skeleton has a very slight, effeminate, frame which also fits into historical descriptions of him. I would agree, as mentioned upthread, that he should be buried according to Roman Catholic rites (I think this has been done being when other pre-reformation skeletons have been disinterred and reburied on consecrated ground?) I have not as yet seen the C4 programme.
                                Mitochondria are really interesting things. They're part of ourselves, found in every eukaryotic cell (i.e.: most of them) in our bodies, but are actually believed to have originally been parasitic proto-bacteria that formed the closest possible symbiotic relationship with the host organism to create the eukaryotic cell in the first place. Without the energy they brought to the party, our ancestors could never have become as complex (and large) as they did. This was all well (well) over a billion years ago. They have a separate supply of DNA from the main batch that's carried in the cell, and the mitochondrial DNA comes only from the mother (that's because the eggs contain eukaryotic cells and the sperms don't). We can trace the mitochondrial DNA back over 200,000 years to a very small group (13 or fewer) of females in Africa. They weren't the first humans, of course, just the ones whose bloodlines didn't go extinct.

                                The reason that mitochondrial DNA isn't so useful for identification is that it's not 'stereoscopic' - it comes from only one parent, so there isn't a second line that intersects to pinpoint an origin. What the results mean so far is that the skeleton is from the same female line as the two known descendants of Richard III. There are two other types of DNA - what you could call 'general' DNA (the overwhelming majority of it) that carries exactly half its information from each parent) and Y-chromosome DNA, which carries information only from the father. It is the analysis of the general DNA that will allow identification to take place, because the 'stereoscoping' will be possible.

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