The Bournemouth Orchestra and Karabits play Mozart and Bruckner

[Ariosto]

I hardly think that 10 or 15 replies (or even fifty) on concerts here would make a blind bit of difference to R3 strategy. Similarly, one can listen to a concert without feeling prompted to comment on it. Wright has shown that he has long since disregarded the views expressed on this forum. Moreover, some posters are so intent on winding others up that it can hardly be a matter of surprise if most listeners don't feel the need to share their views.

Surely, Sir, you are not accusing Hornspieler of winding people up?! You can't be serious! Give him his ball back and re-play the point!

[Barbirollians]

It seems to me that satisfactory concerts seldom attract many posts not necessarily because nobody has been listening but because they are satisfactory.

It is usually either the particularly good or bad or the controversial that attract comment such as the French works for organ and orchestra concert.

[EdgeleyRob]

"Live in Concert" The Performance forum is almost entirely bare of replies regarding those events which took place under that heading.

No wonder Roger Wright was "dumbing down" the channel's musical output - he was trying to get somebody actually to listen to Radio 3.

EA, JLW and I are like voices crying in the wilderness.

Hs

It's not always possible for me,and I think many others,to listen live,what with work,family and dog commitments.
I do try to catch some of the concerts on catch up.
Then I don't always feel as though I have anything worthwile to say,I'd rather leave the analysis to the experts,the JLWs and Edashtavs and such.

Besides it seems to be Bruckner,Bruckner and more Bruckner at the moment.
I'd make time for Petrushka's Dyson VC and Arnold 9,or Weinberg VC and Myaskovsky 6 live in concert though.
You know,for programmes like that,early dart from work,run the dogs instead of walk,get someone else to run the grandkids home etc.

[teamsaint]

I absolutely agree with ER.

I tune in to the Evening concert far more frequently when there is something unusual, which is usually, for me,in terms of repertoire .
In many ways the modern listener is spoilt for choice. I can listen in to any one of a dozen or (many) more versions of any given Bruckner symphony at the click of a mouse, and in decent quality.

As ER says, many people fit their listening round multiple other obligations. There are other factors. When I listen to the evening Concert, I like to hear the whole thing, though I don't always manage it, as planned by the concert organiser, and of course that pretty much takes up the whole evening, or perhaps more time than is available.

Personally, I'm not fond of the phrase dumbing down, but actually I would see endless cycles of LvB symphonies in these concerts as such a thing. Wonderful though they are, there is so much more out there to intrigue, excite, beguile, annoy and otherwise engage us.

As ER says, it needs to be radio that has us dashing to our radios , eager to hear the music live, fresh, as it happens. The Proms actually still manages this from time to time. Lessons to learn?

[Alison]

Good point from Barbs #17. This rather confirms my view that the recent Jansons Bruckner 7, to cross threads, was simply 'satisfactory'.

[Estelle]

Hello, everyone, I'm just dropping in to thank Petrushka for his link to the Beethoven First Piano Concerto and the Bruckner Ninth. What fabulous digital sound from Dutch Radio 4's Concerthuis! I listen nearly every afternoon to the previous evening's concert on Radio 3, so have enjoyed two other Bruckner performances recently. However, this Ninth overwhelmed me with its power and conviction. I couldn't help imagining I was hearing the pounding of the Day of Wrath in the scherzo, but there was much tenderness and peace elsewhere to counterbalance. I recommend this performance (including the fine Beethoven) to anyone with the time for it. Thanks again, Petrushka.

[Hornspieler]

Hello, everyone, I'm just dropping in to thank Petrushka for his link to the Beethoven First Piano Concerto and the Bruckner Ninth. What fabulous digital sound from Dutch Radio 4's Concerthuis! I listen nearly every afternoon to the previous evening's concert on Radio 3, so have enjoyed two other Bruckner performances recently. However, this Ninth overwhelmed me with its power and conviction. I couldn't help imagining I was hearing the pounding of the Day of Wrath in the scherzo, but there was much tenderness and peace elsewhere to counterbalance. I recommend this performance (including the fine Beethoven) to anyone with the time for it. Thanks again, Petrushka.

Very nice of you to drop in, Estelle, but Petrushka's message actually refers to a performance which does not come under the subject matter of this thread.

So did you hear the Bournemouth concert? Your last chance to listen to it on iPlayer is today, 8th April.

Best wishes,
HS

[french frank]

Very nice of you to drop in, Estelle, but I'm afraid that you've posted on the wrong thread.

Did you hear the Bournemouth concert? Your last chance to listen to it on iPlayer is today, 8th April.

HS

Msg #3 on this thread is the one referred to.

[edashtav]

Hello, everyone, I'm just dropping in to thank Petrushka for his link to the Beethoven First Piano Concerto and the Bruckner Ninth. What fabulous digital sound from Dutch Radio 4's Concerthuis! I listen nearly every afternoon to the previous evening's concert on Radio 3, so have enjoyed two other Bruckner performances recently. However, this Ninth overwhelmed me with its power and conviction. I couldn't help imagining I was hearing the pounding of the Day of Wrath in the scherzo, but there was much tenderness and peace elsewhere to counterbalance. I recommend this performance (including the fine Beethoven) to anyone with the time for it. Thanks again, Petrushka.

Hear, hear (the Netherlands link is a must hear) & Here, Here to Petruskhka for being so aware and helping us all to share in the fruits of Europe. My word - how much of this great Dutch sound is due to the engineers and how much down to the Concert Hall (the Concertgebouw's home, I think)? The latter is a jewel and would make almost any orchestra sound lovely. The Bruckner sounds far for glorious, more celestial and less plebian than in the Barbican. It's a case of the [B]flattering[/B] against the flattening. I note that Jansons took 4 minutes longer in Holland than in London, that, I think, adds weight to my case that he foreshortened "pregnant" pauses faced by the harsh sterility of the Barbican's acoustics.

I don't know how long these lovely performances are available on-line from Dutch radio, but ( & somewhat against my principle of supporting Radio3 through thick & thin) I urge you to follow the trail blazed by Petrushka & Estelle to Holland on-line for a great concert performed in a magical acoustic that has been captured to perfection by Dutch engineers.

[Hornspieler]

Hear, hear (the Netherlands link is a must hear) & Here, Here to Petruskhka for being so aware and helping us all to share in the fruits of Europe. My word - how much of this great Dutch sound is due to the engineers and how much down to the Concert Hall (the Concertgebouw's home, I think)? The latter is a jewel and would make almost any orchestra sound lovely. The Bruckner sounds far for glorious, more celestial and less plebian than in the Barbican. It's a case of the [B]flattering[/B] against the flattening. I note that Jansons took 4 minutes longer in Holland than in London, that, I think, adds weight to my case that he foreshortened "pregnant" pauses faced by the harsh sterility of the Barbican's acoustics.

I don't know how long these lovely performances are available on-line from Dutch radio, but ( & somewhat against my principle of supporting Radio3 through thick & thin) I urge you to follow the trail blazed by Petrushka & Estelle to Holland on-line for a great concert performed in a magical acoustic that has been captured to perfection by Dutch engineers.

Very interesting - but such a pity that our local symphony orchestras are not considered to be among the best fruits of Europe.
and, apparently, not worthy of this forum's attention.

HS

[edashtav]

C'mon, hs. I did listen to the BSO and Karabits broadcast of Bruckner's 9th and wrote about my response, conditioned admittedly by live exposure to the Concertgebouw and Jansons. The Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra excelled itself and may have achieved its finest playing of any Bruckner Symphony. However, NONE of Brirtain's regional orchestras plays the in the same league as the Concertgebouw, Berlin Phil, or Lucerne Festival Orchestra.

Karabits is doing a fine job for the BSO but he's still young and his Bruckner interpretations ( based on this performance of the 9th) have a little way to go to reach their apogee.

[Richard Tarleton]

Very interesting - but such a pity that our local symphony orchestras are not considered to be among the best fruits of Europe.
and, apparently, not worthy of this forum's attention.

HS

and c'mon from me HS - I posted only this morning about how I'm looking forward to the WNO Orchestra's Bruckner 8 in Cardiff, and I never fail to write a review of my Cardiff concerts on the "what was your last concert" thread. If the WNO's Bruckner 7 was anything to go by I'm expecting a much more uplifting experience than was the case with the VPO's lacklustre offering under Maazel at the Proms - they played as if their lives depended on it. I've been to some cracking BBC NOW concerts as well.

[Petrushka]

Hear, hear (the Netherlands link is a must hear) & Here, Here to Petruskhka for being so aware and helping us all to share in the fruits of Europe. My word - how much of this great Dutch sound is due to the engineers and how much down to the Concert Hall (the Concertgebouw's home, I think)? The latter is a jewel and would make almost any orchestra sound lovely. The Bruckner sounds far for glorious, more celestial and less plebian than in the Barbican. It's a case of the [B]flattering[/B] against the flattening. I note that Jansons took 4 minutes longer in Holland than in London, that, I think, adds weight to my case that he foreshortened "pregnant" pauses faced by the harsh sterility of the Barbican's acoustics.

I don't know how long these lovely performances are available on-line from Dutch radio, but ( & somewhat against my principle of supporting Radio3 through thick & thin) I urge you to follow the trail blazed by Petrushka & Estelle to Holland on-line for a great concert performed in a magical acoustic that has been captured to perfection by Dutch engineers.

I can't take any credit for discovering the Netherlands Radio 4 site. HighlandDougie mentioned it on another thread about a couple of months ago and I've been dipping in ever since. There are some superb Haitink concerts but beware as they are only there for a limited period. However, some seem to stay there for ages, long after they are due to disappear. There were some great Klemperer and Jochum items at one time. Keep dipping in as I do. Many thanks again to HD for the initial pointer.

[Estelle]

Dear Mr. Hornspieler,
I speak in my defense as well! I did say that I listen nearly every afternoon to the previous evening's Radio 3 concert! What occasioned my posting on this thread was my having heard two wonderful Bruckner symphonies in a week on Radio 3, followed by the fabulous acoustics and dynamics of the Amsterdam Concerthuis RCO-Janssons performance on the link which Petrushka kindly supplied. I am grateful to you for having originated this thread, and am an admirer of your love of and long history with excellent British orchestras, which I fully share!

[Estelle]

Petrushka,
I'm sure you're also aware of similar musical websites such as Medici TV and the Berlin Philharmonic's Digital Concert Hall. Some require subscriptions, but usually offer older concerts free of charge. I will take your recommendation and look for another RCO concert, preferably with Haitink or Janssons at the helm. Thanks to HighlandDougie too.