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He opened so many doors to music, allowing us to embrace the unfamiliar and musicians from this country and beyond to play the unfamiliar - Ravi Shankar's death is a terribly sad loss to civilisation.Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View PostLast edited by johncorrigan; 12-12-12, 10:05. -
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That's what he means to me too.Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
Thirded.
RIP
Ravi Shankar
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He influenced John Coltrane and Joe Harriott, not just George Harrison and The Doors.
Just thought I'd mention that, of course.Comment
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I know these things are trueOriginally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
but it annoyed me a little that his musicianship was described (on R4 this morning at least !) only in terms of how it influenced Songwriters as if THAT is what music entirely consists of !Comment
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Yes, I was sorry to hear the news too. Extraordinary to think that he outlived both his parents by three quarters of a century. A vote for vegetarianism perhaps or living in California. My preferred Beatle was George Harrison so I am bound to think of him in those terms. And I am as inclined to consider the Concert for Bangladesh as I am of any earlier work. It is difficult in some ways to believe that there were only 14 years between that event and the somehow much showier Live Aid. His loss is another distancing too from Woodstock which, for all of the criticism that could be made of it, will always be highly symbolic in so many ways for me.
Classical music, jazz music, world music long before the term 'world music' was introduced....tributes to him could be on every part of this forum. He will also, I think, always be something of an answer to purists. An example to bring forward when resisting the suggestion that fusion, or any other word for it, is automatically a bad idea. A problem I have is in his ongoing tokenism. That wasn't his fault but given his depths, ability and high profile, he should really have been an introduction to many of a vast realm of music that is steeped in history. As things stand, I am not alone in finding orientation around Indian music among the most difficult.Comment
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It wasn't Shankar's style of playing in particular that influenced these musicians, it was the sheer revelatory experience of hearing Indian music and its flexible forms, still relatively unknown in the West during the 50s and early 60s ...and of course Shankar was the lauded ambassador as a result of him getting a recording contract with EMI, and later through his association with the Beatles.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
As for the exaggerated plaudits elsewhere on this thread (and globally) that he was effectively the harbinger of World Music - complete nonsense methinks. People ahead of him in the queue (looking Eastwards) were - to name but three - Henry Cowell, Alan Hovhaness and perhaps John Cage. And wasn't Messiaen using Indian rhythmic concepts in the 1940s?Last edited by Boilk; 12-12-12, 13:35.Comment
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Originally posted by Boilk View Post
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... is I think to stretch the concept of World Music a tad far.As for the exaggerated plaudits elsewhere on this thread (and globally) that he was effectively the harbinger of World Music - complete nonsense methinks. People ahead of him in the queue (looking Eastwards) were - to name but three - Henry Cowell, Alan Hovhaness and perhaps John Cage. And wasn't Messiaen using Indian rhythmic concepts in the 1940s?
Maybe time for a discussion on defining what people mean by "World Music"?Comment
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
It's going to be a long night my friends ............Comment
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No, wait ... I hear footsteps approaching and Scots voice raised in protest ... what's that scottycelt? ... it's all common sense?!Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
It's going to be a long night my friends ............
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Charlie Gillett was happy enough with my essay on the subject.
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back to Shankar eh
one of many virtuosi who flipped a lot of wigs in the sixties with Indian Classical Music .... the beatles got there as well, it was on the 'scene' in lunnun ....According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.Comment
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Three musicians in one week! Imagine the celestial jam session - Shankar on sitar, Brubeck on piano, and Moore on xylophone!Comment
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