Tempting fate, I would rather have seen the England team show the Russian team the door, but I will not be sorry to see them go tonight.
Again I hit the button too soon.
Again I hit the button too soon.
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Farewell Russia:
Ayarkhaan - Dedication to the Blacksmiths' Patron - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfF28Xd5xw0
Northern State Russian Choir - Three Songs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-nwqSpBgOA
Various Artists - Kak U Dobrovo Molodtsa - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XXYeodbyK4
Manicure - The Lights Are On - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvDuNTN0ZSs
Farlanders - Gathering Grass - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTVlSnQMgZU
Ivan Kupala - Kostroma - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_0j_38Tda0
Aslan Tlebzu - Kafa Chikh - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zPvfzcFOgA
Okna Tsahan Zam - Edjin Duun - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN41vuy-hh0
Melodiya Ensemble - Fiery River - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6H016_WJ_w
Boris Grebenshikov - Refuge Tara Mantra - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XlPELiUDxQ
Red Army Choir - Gypsy Music : Dark Eyes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQuy3FqVcYc
Y Krylatov - From the Adventures of the Elektronic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad0w0c0GepALast edited by Lat-Literal; 07-07-18, 22:11.Comment
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I push the definition out to the Gideon Coe sort of area but that takes the biscuit.Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
Unless he ever guested with the Cardigans.
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With the match against their southern neighbours today, perhaps the Belgians will be sort of echoing Monsieur Brel.
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...but France spoiled Belgium's party...
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Farewell to Belgium:
Paul Rans/Claude Flagel - Die Nachtegael int Wilde - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F05brj9yHxY
Wannes Van de Velde - De Vagebond - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGrchLM_gKU
(Princesse) Mansia M'Bila - Salongo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyzRliPHsLw
Edwards & Armani - Desert Silence - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjs3rNCSRk
Cécile Kayirebwa- Tarihinda - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y9W0aG7SLM
Open Sky Unit - Sunshine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bam3tJ7WkXw
Lais - La Plus Belle de Céans - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKl45vyk_i0
Wallace Collection - DayDream - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wFMY0r7X-w
(The) Chakachas - Jungle Fever - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp-NIC6X0GQ
Ambrozijn - Sleepstraatscottisch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWgUT-Ki9O4
Bun Hunga & His Combo - Bangala - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJUXcVoi2Uw
Die Anarchistische AbendUnterhaltung - Rain Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEP00jBh0UwLast edited by Lat-Literal; 10-07-18, 22:25.Comment
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England play Croatia in tonight's semi in Moscow, in case you hadn't noticed, for the right to play France in Sunday's Final.
Jerusalem - Chris Wood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXESeUypch0Comment
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Hah, yes, what more will we get in this area of the forum should England go out?...…...the Watersons and the Unthanks have already been chalked in.
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It is deeply disappointing, JC, that the Scottish Nationalist position is not actually about a political independence which removes Scotland from Britaiin but an overt, very selective racism towards England while liberalism is proclaimed on behalf of every other nation. It doesn't annoy me. It just saddens me to know what the reality is. You get the same with Ireland. The day that a Scottish contributor posts an English song here that isn't by an Englander who is in essence anti England or an an Irish contributor posts something from other than Ireland is the day when I personally can really believe that there are no unconsicous direct links with the far right. Serial-Apologist was absolutely right to quote RD Laing as he has done often. Me? I really opened my heart both to Scotland and Ireland in the 1980s but age and wisdom now tell me that it was naivety and I was being treated like a fool. No more thank you.Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
You are a very nice man - I have always respected you on a personal level - but my impression of your country and its stances is increasingly that it plays dirty. I don't like it much anymore. That's not to say that I wouldn't live there. I'd grab an ultra cheap house and put huge amounts of strain on its health system. It could be far too white for me though. In a nutshell, whether Scotland wants to be out of Britain or not - and at the last time of asking it said no - there is no logical reason why it should be more anti England than anti Senegal.Last edited by Lat-Literal; 11-07-18, 22:37.Comment
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Lat, I think that Chris Wood is the most English of modern folk performers, someone who it seems to me loves his Country and who presents that country warts and all. Not some old romantic notion of times gone by. He is not anti-England, in the same way that Billy Bragg is not anti-England and Ray Davies is not anti-England. I didn't post Wood's version of 'Jerusalem' out of some sense of irony - I did it because I love that song and it represents an image of England showing its various faces to the world, something which I have always valued about our southern neighbours, and Chris Wood offered me a new view on Blake's lyrics. I had a strong sense of disappointment for the England fans and Southgate and the players tonight - I've enjoyed their approach this tournament. They're a lot easier to like than a team fronted by somebody like Allardyce. Sorry,Lat, I'm not sure I can say more than that at this time.Originally posted by Lat-Literal View PostComment
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To quote the late, great Michael Flanders:Originally posted by Lat-Literal View PostHah, yes, what more will we get in this area of the forum should England go out?...…...the Watersons and the Unthanks have already been chalked in.
'There'll always be an England. Mind you, there'll always be a North Pole unless some fool goes and melts it. Meanwhile, what national anthem have we got - Jerusalem....'Comment
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Thank you for your considered comments, JC.Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
In my disappointment, and on reflection as well as some research today, I was somewhat unfair for which I apologise. It is, though, a mixed picture which perhaps represents an ongoing transition of opinion. Alan Brazil, who I like as a broadcaster, managed to present an entire programme on the match this morning while admitting he fell asleep after 45 minutes. His sidekick was Ally McCoist, again likeable, who did find appropriate insight and balance. In different parts of the tournament, Nicola Sturgeon and Mary Ann Kennedy, among others. and these two examples are useful for representing the political and cultural ends of nationalism, did do enough on Twitter albeit in a rather subdued way which is perhaps understandable. Pete Wishart was perhaps surprisingly another example of the more enlightened - "To be fair, England did really well in the side of the draw, where the winner won’t come from, until they met a quality team." Blackford, on the other hand - and I admit to disliking him intensely as a person - chose the occasion to commemorate 23 years - hardly a key anniversary - since Srebreniza and it was not without a few pointed time convenient Croatian connotations. Meanwhile, the Daily Record carried the headline "Nicola Sturgeon should celebrate England's exit by making July 11 a bank holiday - Hotline Ross Hanvidge manned the phones and there were plenty of gleeful Scotland fans on to laugh at the Auld Enemy":
"Kicking things off, delighted Rob McCallum, Dundee , said: “ Nicola Sturgeon should make 11th July a national holiday for what Scots have had to put up with over the past few weeks. Coming into work today everyone is happy and cheery with smiles on their faces. I'm glad they're out.” Next up was Pat Thompson, Parkhead, who said: “I had a wonderful sleep last night, the best sleep I've had all week"...... Sticking with the theme, Joe Wilson, Spean Bridge, said: “Normal service has been resumed. If ever a nation has egg on its face it's England. Well done and thanks Croatia. It's the best result since Bannockburn!”.....Others commented that had England won, the plus point was that independence would be guaranteed.
Some 40 and more years ago, I acquired a love for Wales even though on our arrival the sign posts were turned round to put off English visitors and there were signs saying "English go home". We were advised by Welsh people that such sentiments were simply part of a lunatic fringe. 10 years ago at least one serious national newspaper was assessing that the average Welsh football fan had more hate towards English football than the average Scottish fan who was merely slightly averse and largely indifferent. More recently, English support for the Welsh team encouraged by television producers in London was largely rejected by Welsh fans who rather than being able to simply support their team's success and welcome any support from friendly non Welsh people combined it with anti English sentiment. But in 2018 - in contrast with the Daily Herald - the Welsh Daily Post asked its readers whether Welsh fans should be getting behind the England team and concluded on the basis of reaction that many felt they would. The tune as conveyed from Scotland and Wales constantly changes. One minute Britain is the problem. The next minute it is England. One minute the England team is fine but the fans are hateable. The next minute it's the opposite. One minute it is "we can support you but you can't support us". The next it is "you can support us if you wish - it makes no difference to us if you do or you don't - but we are not going to support you". In contrast, had England won the tournament, there would have been minimal or no gloating cross-reference to Scotland and Wales. Germany very likely. Not Scotland and Wales.
On occasions, a neutrality is found. At Celtic Connections England is treated equally with France or Spain or Canada or Mali or China. That's ok but what slightly disappoints is that of itself is studiously opposed to any notion of there being a special relationship. It was much the same with the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow where the sheer Scottishness of it was pushed to the fore. On balance, that wasn't seen as anything irritatingly cumbersome by the English. There was little sense of grudge and the instinct was "good for you", albeit accompanied by the knowledge that London 2012 had been an event which emphasised not England but all parts of what is currently Britain. Then you have Ireland which is way too complicated to go into in what is already a very lengthy post. As you are aware, I've stood at the Pogues and the Waterboys on so many occasions. "Old England is Dying" is perhaps not Mike Scott's greatest sentiment in my book but the poetry, the history not without critique, the romanticism etc all had a lure and an appeal. But a key part of that equation was that we were all standing there together. 1988. 1998. Time had moved on. It was the modern world - a point which should have become more firmly established within the context of the EU.
I note your comments about English musicians. Their critique tends to be focussed on class and wealth divisions while the notion of an alternative, fairer England is simultaneously pursued. One can take that on board, and positively welcome it, while also noting elements of hypocrisy. Bragg's pad by the sea at Burton Bradstock is something to behold from a distance and Strummer before he died abandoned the gang of cowboys act adoring, lamenting and standing up to tower block life for a pretty - very large - pink cottage with roses round the door in Street, just outside Glastonbury. He didn't want his kids to stumble on needles. But the wealth divide in Wales and perhaps especially Scotland is humungous. Some still live in inner city slums. Others contemplate how many boars and bears they can fit into the acres of their land which would be the equivalent to a quarter of Surrey, not so much for wildlife purposes as to have an excuse to erect more fences. Keep out walkers by telling Inverness that they could be eaten alive if mega-wealth can't be secured. I would need to check but I don't see much criticism of that aspect of Scotland in Scottish culture. It is generally spun off in historical references towards and against the posh English so that, for example, Dick Gaughan will still be complaining about Lord Robens rather than questioning any current laird. I would be happy to be provided with examples in music of where this isn't the case.Last edited by Lat-Literal; 12-07-18, 17:28.Comment
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