Originally posted by Oddball
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New Late Junction
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Another Hear and Now version of Late Junction, hosted by Verity Sharp. But rather better than some of the Hear and Now programmes in a similar vein I have heard recently:
Cardiff - Farm Hand, Deaf Pictures, Swansea Laptop Orchestra
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Kishore Kumar for yodelling.
I'm not especially demanding in historical terms. In life, I prefer to have the right people in the right places rather than the right people in the wrong places or the wrong people in the right places. Regrettably, this turns out to be far too demanding for the present day. As much is true of music. I want the right people with the right music rather than right people with the wrong music or the wrong people with the right music. Except - and I am talking about radio specifically here - there is one pretty mild proviso. The definition of the right people divides into speech presentation and speech content. I have now briefly dipped into John Dorans. The things I have heard him say seem as near to as spot on as I could ask in these times - music as an adhesive rather than cheesecake although in the old days we may simply have had the adhesive and no modern sounding contrast which adds little. The voice? Not especially, no. Perhaps just a tad too working class, a tad too northern, a tad too pseudo-intellectual by way of counter-balance and a tad too.....well, did anyone ever mention that while I liked John Peel I never lauded him? Not that I haven't rightly or wrongly lauded more than a few in my day. Still, four decades or music appreciation, did he say?
This, then, is approximately a man of my generation (50-85 - that's up to four years younger and 31 older) and here we want some sense of common identification often indicated by the following although none are essential - ordinary origins (although I suspect that there is more of a middle class strand in what I prefer in broadcasting than I think), seemingly reasonably classless, southern unless it works very well and it isn't a southern person (which can happen), bright rather than clever-clever, enthusiastic without it being souped-up or ironically dulled down, warm and (you know it when you hear it) a BBC sensibility. I'm not going to rave about Mark Coles as it isn't deserved but he ticks many of the boxes for me.
Women? Yes fine - and I only put it in those terms now. Once it wouldn't have been an issue but there is so much of a pushy emphasis on diversity (which I would once have been all for) that I am more demanding if anything of the people they choose while feeling more of a need to defend the male patch. Similar things really - a sense of the classless (here Cerys sort of works well because she is Welsh and I don't understand the class differences in that part of the world), warmth, the BBC thing, enthusiasm and actually I think the latter is very important here. What happens next is a terrible thing to say. Some men including me may doubt the genuine quality of the enthusiasm for music in overtly middle class or working class women. Yes - it may work in a different way but not as many collect until the end of time, put it all in alphabetical order in order to retain stability, feel it more as their emotions than emotions themselves, consider it to be the substance of their lives rather than as objective interest, practically involving or just an opportunity to pursue academic achievement or to have a party party. I recognize it is they who have babies which adds reality to any dreams. But given all of the above, I think I have to say a great woman presenter for me also has to be mildly quirky as in unexpected whereas a bloke can just be a bloke as long as he meets the radio criteria as outlined which most can't, of course, being severely limited.
Re music, we have all become too familiar with everything for radio to be able to provide now anything truly other worldly. So it is a problem with the zeitgeist. Too much access, too much information, too much privilege even in financial poverty. That is such a shame. I would really favour a year not of austerity but of cultural wipe-out and then for us all to come back full of joy and totally thrilled but it won't happen. Things never end or they do end and never come back. Unfortunately we are all stuck in this sad 21st Century madhouse.Last edited by Lat-Literal; 29-09-17, 21:05.
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To put this in context, the only woman I've seen on television this week who I really, really, liked was one with severe learning difficulties who was easily making her way in the world. I thought she was lovely and so incredibly strong. It was Undateables. Male mates - I favour (a) the unquestionably stable and ordinary/occasionally boring and (b) the very mildly laddish, bright and imaginative, seemingly slightly more strong but actually more vulnerable. What I can't handle is a modern over-confident presentation in any gender or orientatioin.
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Originally posted by Vespare View Post
I'm not all that interested in Presenter cults. Please don't ask me to play John Doran again, but was he any more significant than Max or Verity??
Obviously a presenter imposes their choices on the programme - this isn't local radio where an inexorable, permanently rolling playlist is used - simply put, there are big differences in the choices made by the presenters.
I think it's a continuing valid point to observe and critique the individual choice and combination of choices made by the different presenters.
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