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  • Globaltruth
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    • Nov 2010
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    #31
    My two entrants for 'most disturbing' are

    Ratcliffe Highway - a road in the East End of London. This has a particularly dark history, going back to at least to the 18th Century, pyschogeographers would have us believe there was always a dark and dangerous miasma there. It's close to Cable Street and Wapping... certainly in the first half of the nineteenth century, Ratcliffe Highway, Stepney, was the toughest thoroughfare in the East End of London. It was a place of sailors' lodging houses, sailors' pubs, sailors' ladies and opium dens (viz: Conan Doyle is known to have visited and said visit re-appeared in a Holmes story)
    In 1811 two separate attacks took place on two separate families - much outrage and reportage at the time, but also since for example In Alan Moore's graphic novel 'From Hell' where the implication is that this is somehow related to Freemasonry, and, in Lloyd Shephard's 'The English Monster'.
    The song 'The Ratcliffe Highway' is included in the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs, and was noted in 1905 by Ralph Vaughan Williams, communicated by R. Copper (of Copper Family fame) and from a broadside by Catnach.
    The song isn't about the murders, but hopefully you'll agree that it portrays the disturbing atmosphere of the area:
    Ronnie Drew's voice is well suited to the story
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    As I was a-walking down London,
    From Wapping to Ratcliffe Highway,
    I chanced to pop into a gin-shop,
    To spend a long night and a day.

    A young doxy came rolling up to me,
    And asked if I'd money to sport.
    For a bottle of wine changed a guinea,
    And she quickly replied: “That's the sort.”

    When the bottle was put on the table,
    There was glasses for everyone.
    When I asked for the change of my guinea,
    She tipped me the verse of her song.

    This lady flew into a passion,
    And she placed both her hands on her hip,
    Saying: “Sailor, don't you know our fashion?
    Do you think you're on board of your ship?”

    “If this is your fashion to rob me,
    Such a fashion I'll never abide.
    So launch out the change of my guinea,
    Or else I'll give you a broadside.”

    A gold watch hung over the mantel,
    So the change of my guinea I take,
    And it's down the old stairs I run nimbly,
    Saying: “Darn my old boots, I'm well paid.”

    The night being dark in my favour,
    To the river I quickly did creep,
    And I jumped in a boat bound for Deptford,
    And I got safe on board of my ship.

    So come all of you bold young sailors,
    That ramble down Ratcliffe Highway,
    If you chance to pop into a gin-shop,
    Beware, lads, how long you do stay.

    For the songs and the liquors invite you,
    And your heart will be all in a rage;
    If you give them a guinea for a bottle,
    You can go to the devil for change.

    My second submission is Long Lankin.
    I think this Alasdair Roberts version is an excellent one... (yes, JC - Steeleye Span did do a version)
    Alasdair Roberts playing 'Long Lankin' for The Influences.Audio by Ro Halfhide.Filmed, edited and graded by Matthijs van der Ven.theinfluences.com

    There are many disturbing aspects to this song - the motive for the murder being one. This is a Child ballad [No 93], and apparently there are two divergent threads associated with the eveolution of the lyrics. The English thread loses the idea that this was a disgruntled freeman - the murder becomes motiveless, carried out by a creature that lives in the moss (gorse in some versions). A second disturbing aspect being that the murderer baths in the blood of the child ("We will pinch him, we will prick him
    We will stab him with a pin And the nurse shall hold the basin For the blood all to run in").
    And what of the 'false nurse'? Well, at least she and the Lankin (or Lamkin, or Lammikin) are burnt and hung respectively...

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    • johncorrigan
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      • Nov 2010
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      #32
      Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
      My two entrants for 'most disturbing' are

      Ratcliffe Highway - a road in the East End of London. ...
      Thanks Global, most interesting. I think I read an article recently about Thomas De Quincey and Ratcliffe Road murders. Also a great bit of Mr Roberts...top stuff, and a kind
      of anarchic performance.

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      • Lat-Literal
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        • Aug 2015
        • 6983

        #33
        Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
        My two entrants for 'most disturbing' are

        Ratcliffe Highway - a road in the East End of London. This has a particularly dark history, going back to at least to the 18th Century, pyschogeographers would have us believe there was always a dark and dangerous miasma there. It's close to Cable Street and Wapping... certainly in the first half of the nineteenth century, Ratcliffe Highway, Stepney, was the toughest thoroughfare in the East End of London. It was a place of sailors' lodging houses, sailors' pubs, sailors' ladies and opium dens (viz: Conan Doyle is known to have visited and said visit re-appeared in a Holmes story)
        In 1811 two separate attacks took place on two separate families - much outrage and reportage at the time, but also since for example In Alan Moore's graphic novel 'From Hell' where the implication is that this is somehow related to Freemasonry, and, in Lloyd Shephard's 'The English Monster'.
        The song 'The Ratcliffe Highway' is included in the Penguin Book of English Folk Songs, and was noted in 1905 by Ralph Vaughan Williams, communicated by R. Copper (of Copper Family fame) and from a broadside by Catnach.
        The song isn't about the murders, but hopefully you'll agree that it portrays the disturbing atmosphere of the area:
        Ronnie Drew's voice is well suited to the story
        Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.




        My second submission is Long Lankin.
        I think this Alasdair Roberts version is an excellent one... (yes, JC - Steeleye Span did do a version)
        Alasdair Roberts playing 'Long Lankin' for The Influences.Audio by Ro Halfhide.Filmed, edited and graded by Matthijs van der Ven.theinfluences.com

        There are many disturbing aspects to this song - the motive for the murder being one. This is a Child ballad [No 93], and apparently there are two divergent threads associated with the eveolution of the lyrics. The English thread loses the idea that this was a disgruntled freeman - the murder becomes motiveless, carried out by a creature that lives in the moss (gorse in some versions). A second disturbing aspect being that the murderer baths in the blood of the child ("We will pinch him, we will prick him
        We will stab him with a pin And the nurse shall hold the basin For the blood all to run in").
        And what of the 'false nurse'? Well, at least she and the Lankin (or Lamkin, or Lammikin) are burnt and hung respectively...
        Very interesting.

        I particularly like the RVW and Copper Family links.

        "My Old Man" is pretty grim!

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        • Globaltruth
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          • Nov 2010
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          #34
          Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post

          "My Old Man" is pretty grim!
          I don't think you meant this version , but I think it qualifies as a folk song (electric), although not a disturbing one, anyway

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          • Lat-Literal
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            • Aug 2015
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            #35
            Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
            I don't think you meant this version , but I think it qualifies as a folk song (electric), although not a disturbing one, anyway
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPVuG8ZbNE

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            • johncorrigan
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              • Nov 2010
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              #36
              Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
              I don't think you meant this version , but I think it qualifies as a folk song (electric), although not a disturbing one, anyway
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPVuG8ZbNE
              Not this one either, Global, definitely a folk song and acoustic, and not disturbing except for the frying pan being too wide.

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              • greenilex
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                • Nov 2010
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                #37
                My candidate is the Lyke Wake Dirge this ae nicht.

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                • Mary Chambers
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by greenilex View Post
                  My candidate is the Lyke Wake Dirge this ae nicht.
                  I've never thought of that as a folk song, but I suppose it is. I first came across it in the Britten Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings. Frightening, or scary as people say now, but riveting.

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                  • Tony Halstead
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #39
                    is 'All Around My Hat' a folk song?
                    it seems to date from the early years of the 19th century.

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                    • Globaltruth
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Tony View Post
                      is 'All Around My Hat' a folk song?
                      it seems to date from the early years of the 19th century.
                      Well, yes, collected by Ms Baring-Gould around then but what aspect of it do you find disturbing???

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                      • Globaltruth
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Mary Chambers View Post
                        I've never thought of that as a folk song, but I suppose it is. I first came across it in the Britten Serenade for Tenor, Horn and Strings. Frightening, or scary as people say now, but riveting.

                        Well, here's a version by Pentangle - but were they folk? or some sort of Jazz/Folk "fusion"? Doesn't matter really, that was a good nomination, thanks greenilex

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                        • cloughie
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
                          Well, here's a version by Pentangle - but were they folk? or some sort of Jazz/Folk "fusion"? Doesn't matter really, that was a good nomination, thanks greenilex

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_jKsQjuCfE
                          I've always thought of Pentangle as folk, Jacqui McShee certainly has a very folky voice, Renbourn and Jansch were very inventive guitarists, Cox, a better than good drummer but Danny Thompson was definitely a jazz bassist. Very different from anything else at the time and that is where lay their success.
                          Last edited by cloughie; 08-05-16, 09:02.

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                          • johncorrigan
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            I've always thought of Pentangle as folk, Jacqui McShee certainly has a very folky voice, Renbourn and Jansch were very inventive guitarists, Cox, a better than good drummer but Danny Thompson was definitely a jazz drummer. Very different from anything else at the time and that is where lay their success.
                            I saw Pentangle in Glasgow Candleriggs in '69/'70, cloughie. One of the highlights in a wonderful show was their version of Mingus' 'Goodbye Pork Pie Hat' with a great bass solo by Danny Thompson...it was probably the first time I saw any jazz on stage, though I had thought of them before as a Folk outfit. They were on the Transatlantic Label which was definitely a folk label back then. But Jansch, Cox and Thompson were definitely jazz-ish.

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                            • Bryn
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                              #44

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                              • Globaltruth
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                Yes, Definitely disturbing.

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