Newly released / found music of a certain sort

[johncorrigan]

It just gets more and more extraordinary, doesn't it.

I haven't yet got to grips with this release although I have heard tracks. Quite how big is it with just one side of it devoted to 20 versions of "Like a Rolling Stone"? I have seen prices on Amazon of £130 plus and have no idea what would be a reasonable price. My only contact in Switzerland of all places has the money to buy a crate of records every Saturday and being a Dylan enthusiast, he bought it on day one. I may need guidance on how/where to "locate" best price and also the best versions on the still free-ish internet.

The two-disc effort at £15 ish is going to have to do me, Lat. There is the one-disc sampler on spotty or the seventy-hundred (depending who you trust) quid job for the 18-in-a-box including lots of 'Like a...', and of course there's vinyl for a zillion, or you can invent a time machine and nip back and experience the whole thing first hand...but please don't interfere...or maybe you have already!

[Lat-Literal]

The two-disc effort at £15 ish is going to have to do me, Lat. There is the one-disc sampler on spotty or the seventy-hundred (depending who you trust) quid job for the 18-in-a-box including lots of 'Like a...', and of course there's vinyl for a zillion, or you can invent a time machine and nip back and experience the whole thing first hand...but please don't interfere...or maybe you have already!

That's helpful.

Memory Lane.

Even better because it "ain't" even personal memories :

Bob Dylan Live, May 2015 - Autumn Leaves - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvwgekiHGdA
Four Freshmen - Poinciana : Song of the Tree - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4NafK3NFhA

(The first sounds like it involves Bill Frisell to me - but I might be wrong - anyhow, it's lovely!)

Link:........Van Morrison - Autumn Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSx8-Ii5qBg

(Hard Nose The Highway.........Very underrated album!)

What is odd about the great "Autumn Song" is that it's an original composition from the 1970s, it sounds like it is from the 1930s/1940s and when he does that "Breakout" part he could be quoting from an earlier song a la Jerome Kern etc. What actually happened was that the song was "quoted" almost without acknowedgment as a chart hit a decade later.

Swing Out Sister - Breakout - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqcNXXCIs3w

[johncorrigan]

Memory Lane.

Even better because it "ain't" even personal memories :

Bob Dylan Live, May 2015 - Autumn Leaves - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvwgekiHGdA

I really enjoy Bob's last record. I mean they're all Sinatra songs but Bob does lonely and night just brilliantly. Here he is on Letterman unwilling to give anything away, except that he forgot his moothie for the instrumental break - he is this world's great trickster, a Loki for our times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJhS6JPcjA

[Lat-Literal]

I really enjoy Bob's last record. I mean they're all Sinatra songs but Bob does lonely and night just brilliantly. Here he is on Letterman unwilling to give anything away, except that he forgot his moothie for the instrumental break - he is this world's great trickster, a Loki for our times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJhS6JPcjA

Adair the lyricist retired to Hawaii and it has a slightly Hawaiian musical atmosphere. I don't have that Dylan album and wasn't sure when I heard clips of it on the news but have now fully come round to it. It probably benefits from seeing him perform it live. Very Bob but curiously there is also just a bit of Nick Cave in his stage demeanour on Letterman.

Kinky Friedman has just released "The Loneliest Man I Ever Met", his first studio album in 39 years. Wide-ranging, it includes a version of "A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square"! Frank also recorded Gershwin's "Summertime". This version by Harry Manx - http://harrymanx.com/ - is from "20 Strings and the Truth", released quite recently, ie February 2015:

Harry Manx - Summertime - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SksD-lZU8jg

[cloughie]

Adair the lyricist retired to Hawaii and it has a slightly Hawaiian musical atmosphere. I don't have that Dylan album and wasn't sure when I heard clips of it on the news but have now fully come round to it. It probably benefits from seeing him perform it live. Very Bob but curiously there is also just a bit of Nick Cave in his stage demeanour on Letterman.

Kinky Friedman has just released "The Loneliest Man I Ever Met", his first studio album in 39 years. Wide-ranging, it includes a version of "A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square"! Frank also recorded Gershwin's "Summertime". This version by Harry Manx - http://harrymanx.com/ - is from "20 Strings and the Truth", released quite recently, ie February 2015:

Harry Manx - Summertime - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SksD-lZU8jg

Your choices and mentions land me back at ManTran 'Poinciana' and 'Nightingale in BSq' both in exquisite arrangements. 'Autumn Leaves' however I have the interesting choice of Tom Jones from his first album 'Along came Jones' from the days when he was young and hungry - he does it rather well.

[Lat-Literal]

Your choices and mentions land me back at ManTran 'Poinciana' and 'Nightingale in BSq' both in exquisite arrangements. 'Autumn Leaves' however I have the interesting choice of Tom Jones from his first album 'Along came Jones' from the days when he was young and hungry - he does it rather well.

cloughie - Thank you for your interesting comments.

I guess there is still time for TJ to make a world music album.

[Globaltruth]

Since Nov 10 Derek Gripper has a new release, Libraries On Fire

He plays classical acoustic guitar interpretations of Malian Kora songs, often featuring the works of artists such as Toumani
Diabate and Ballake Sissoko.
The word 'virtuoso' is too casually used - perhaps an exception can be made for Derek Gripper.

More info at

http://www.derekgripper.com/

and, with another favourite, Tunde Jegede:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg_irZoXOas

The album is on Spotify, iTunes or from bandcamp.

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In October Kandia Kouyate released a new album, Renascence. Verity played a track this week. Banning Eyre writes much better than I ever can about this remarkable achievement

http://www.afropop.org/26132/renascence/

Sample track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmeZGAHfNU8

In case you can't be bothered to click through, here is what Banning says about this track

On the lengthy concluding piece, “Camara Donfoli (The Dance of the Camaras),” she returns to basics, working over a modest vamp of ngoni and meandering balafon and delivering fast volleys of half-spoken words driven by intent and passion. Kouyaté’s historical narration honoring the Camara family suggests that this ngara still possesses her deepest powers. Of course, it is difficult for an outsider to assess the most specialized aspects of the griot’s rarified art. But the bottom line, and the core of this entire tradition’s social significance, comes down to this: “If you know where you come from, you will know where you’re going.” And thankfully, Kandia Kouyaté is going forward.

[johncorrigan]

Since Nov 10 Derek Gripper has a new release, Libraries On Fire

He plays classical acoustic guitar interpretations of Malian Kora songs, often featuring the works of artists such as Toumani
Diabate and Ballake Sissoko.
The word 'virtuoso' is too casually used - perhaps an exception can be made for Derek Gripper.

More info at

http://www.derekgripper.com/

The album is on Spotify, iTunes or from bandcamp.

Thanks Global - I'll look forward to listening to his new one. I was playing a couple of tracks from his previous gem 'One Night on Earth' to some friends recently and one said, 'Is that Derek Gripper?' I have to say I was surprised - ended up Derek's the half-brother of his son's half-sister. (ain't families complicated) Then Mrs C piped up, 'He's been in this house before.' Seems I wasn't there at the time so I had some excuse for not knowing, and he was young at the time, but small world eh?

That Kandia Kouyate is something else. I've gone back to listening to some of the things she made before her stroke as I wasn't aware of her before the recent release. Just terrific.

[Globaltruth]

Thanks Global - I'll look forward to listening to his new one. I was playing a couple of tracks from his previous gem 'One Night on Earth' to some friends recently and one said, 'Is that Derek Gripper?' I have to say I was surprised - ended up Derek's the half-brother of his son's half-sister. (ain't families complicated) Then Mrs C piped up, 'He's been in this house before.' Seems I wasn't there at the time so I had some excuse for not knowing, and he was young at the time, but small world eh?

That Kandia Kouyate is something else. I've gone back to listening to some of the things she made before her stroke as I wasn't aware of her before the recent release. Just terrific.

I didn't know Verity had also played a Derek Gripper track - so that was a bit of a surprise, maybe she subscribes to the Afropop site too?
Wouldn't be surprised. Shame about the name of the site, there's some good stuff on there e.g. http://www.afropop.org/category/review/

[cloughie]

cloughie - Thank you for your interesting comments.

I guess there is still time for TJ to make a world music album.

Not that I would put TJ anywhere near it I've got to say I have still got to get my head around what World Music includes - it was one of those genre which suddenly appeared in the 80s? and took over a tranche of what previously was in the folk section. I think Indie appeared at the same time, whatever that in or excludes!

[Lat-Literal]

Not that I would put TJ anywhere near it I've got to say I have still got to get my head around what World Music includes - it was one of those genre which suddenly appeared in the 80s? and took over a tranche of what previously was in the folk section. I think Indie appeared at the same time, whatever that in or excludes!

Hi cloughie - you might find this link interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/44YSgX3TD9snKBC15y8xWSY/when-world-music-topped-the-charts

[cloughie]

Hi cloughie - you might find this link interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...ped-the-charts

Well there you go I wasn't far off. ....and The Beatles were a Pop group before Rock bands were invented! Maybe George Harrison...no I won't go there. Ginger Baker ... No not there either.

[Lat-Literal]

Well there you go I wasn't far off. ....and The Beatles were a Pop group before Rock bands were invented! Maybe George Harrison...no I won't go there. Ginger Baker ... No not there either.

As for the short guide to indie, strictly speaking "independent label" rather than corporate, and emanating from the grass roots ethics of punk and new wave. Key publication - NME.

Key decade - 1980s. In reality, as with punk and new wave, a lot of it was absorbed by the majors or the majors' own "independent" labels!!! Musically, it spans from the harder extremes of punk - more industrial as it turned out than three minute thrash - to the deliberately fey, the latter having considerable charm where adept. Otherwise amatuerish.

There is a bookish, light art rock there too, leaning towards the acoustic, which I liked a lot and with bands nearer to the mainstream there were distinct references to a range of 1960s records. I liked those too. On the latter, key term "jangly guitars" although there was more to it. Like bells, sometimes, with much melody. We are talking here about a time when the British were in the lead on these things. There was frequently British geographical reference. It was a "scene". But for one specific reference point in history - The Byrds!

On world music, there was much hoo-ha about the decision to label. It was done by Committee. And it was essentially about addressing access and availability by introducing an umbrella term. The political accusations have always been in the area of it supposedly being an "Empire" perspective. But I think the difference was that anything that went before it - and Masekela was in "the charts" in the 1960s, you refer to the Beatles, Osibisa had a hit in the mid 1970s, some people knew Makeba back in the 1950s - was generally accompanied by the idea of "novelty". "These interesting but different foreign people." In the 1980s, it was met on an equal and respectful basis culturally and it acquired depth.

[cloughie]

As for the short guide to indie, strictly speaking "independent label" rather than corporate, and emanating from the grass roots ethics of punk and new wave. Key publication - NME.

Key decade - 1980s. In reality, as with punk and new wave, a lot of it was absorbed by the majors or the majors' own "independent" labels!!! Musically, it spans from the harder extremes of punk - more industrial as it turned out that three minute thrash - to the deliberately fey, the latter having considerable charm where adept. Otherwise amatuerish.

There is a bookish, light art rock there too, leaning towards the acoustic, which I liked a lot and nearer to the mainstream there were very distinct references to a range of 1960s records which I also very much liked. On the latter, key term "jangly guitars" although there was more to it. Like bells, sometimes, with much melody. We are talking here about a time when the British were very much in the lead on these things. There is frequently British geographical reference. But the specific key reference point in history - The Byrds!

I think the birth of Indie in the 80s was more akin to Prog, Underground and the sort of thing John Peel played back then - Pop evolving to Rock, except then the majors brought out their specialist labels - Deram, Harvest, Vertigo, indeed Peell's own Dandelion label, Dawn, Track...
Incidentally the Byrds jangly guitar sound came from Jim aka Roger McGuinn copying George Harrison. 'If I needed someone' is a good example.

[Lat-Literal]

I think the birth of Indie in the 80s was more akin to Prog, Underground and the sort of thing John Peel played back then - Pop evolving to Rock, except then the majors brought out their specialist labels - Deram, Harvest, Vertigo, indeed Peell's own Dandelion label, Dawn, Track...
Incidentally the Byrds jangly guitar sound came from Jim aka Roger McGuinn copying George Harrison. 'If I needed someone' is a good example.

Yes, I don't underestimate George Harrison in any way or the manner in which so much goes back to the Beatles of whom I am a huge fan. Harrison, in fact, is my favourite Beatle if I can put it in those terms. I am aware of the labels you mentioned and from that time and even have memories, hazy, of "The Perfumed Garden". There is a Peel link. While he shifted enormously and no doubt cleverly he represented continuity. Life had changed. I can't help but think that indie emanated from people's bedrooms and houses - the same was true of early 1980s' pop electronica - whereas that isn't quite my placing of Prog etc. It seems to have always been "out there" in every respect whether that was among trees with very strange hues or in UFO style clubs. Obviously I'm heading towards psychedelia there. But whether emanating from schools or estates or squats or any other union, it was communally derived. Indie in contrast came at a time when there was less of community. It was a sort of stay-at-home computer generation before the introduction of computers!

I reckon psychedelia was underground, prog very much marked its presence communally overground, and indie was more of a roots music from people who had no communal roots per se. The first two would have been counter-culture as indeed was punk and later "the rave scene". Indie - and I was close to it - wasn't overtly political. It accepted things were being done differently in wider society as a whole, shrugged its shoulders, and went its own way. In that respect, it is perhaps nearer to ethics in folk or world or jazz. Also, all of them were ostensibly male vis a vis artists. How many women were in Prog Rock or even psychedelia for that matter? Not many. There were quite a few in indie! There were also class background differences. It seems to me that while the heavy end of rock was often working class, the rest was very middle class. But, yes, Peel reflected those changes.