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  • Lateralthinking1

    Global, many thanks. I am particularly enjoying the gardening list.

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    • johncorrigan
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      • Nov 2010
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      Good to see Bob making an appearance on spotty these days. For example:

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      • Lateralthinking1

        Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
        Good to see Bob making an appearance on spotty these days. For example:
        http://open.spotify.com/album/4rh6zo2nqj6ikzUff5i4dQ
        Ah, "Red River Shore" was intended for "Time Out of Mind" then John. Thanks for it. I hadn't heard it before and it makes sense. It has that sound. A companion piece I think for "Highlands" on what for me is in any case his best cd since the 1980s. It would have been even better had it been included on that release.

        .....I will listen to all of "Tell Tale Signs". Have just listened to the live performance of "Ring Them Bells". Interesting. One of my Top 5 Dylan songs and the most controversial choice for that position seeing that it is late eighties. It couldn't be justified rationally but everything about it just strikes the right chord. The rare sort of song which prompts the feeling that all versions must be unearthed, if necessary by spending every waking second of the next decade at far flung record fairs "just in case".

        Last edited by Guest; 16-03-12, 07:15.

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        • johncorrigan
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          Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View Post
          Ah, "Red River Shore" was intended for "Time Out of Mind" then John. Thanks for it. I hadn't heard it before and it makes sense. It has that sound. A companion piece I think for "Highlands" on what for me is in any case his best cd since the 1980s. It would have been even better had it been included on that release.

          .....I will listen to all of "Tell Tale Signs". Have just listened to the live performance of "Ring Them Bells". Interesting. One of my Top 5 Dylan songs and the most controversial choice for that position seeing that it is late eighties. It couldn't be justified rationally but everything about it just strikes the right chord. The rare sort of song which prompts the feeling that all versions must be unearthed, if necessary by spending every waking second of the next decade at far flung record fairs "just in case".

          Yep - top tune Lat. Makes you wonder how Bob makes some of his choices - I mean he did leave 'Blind Willie McTell' off 'Infidels' - maybe he just knew it would turn up when required - probably just indulging in a spot of bobbery (though not of the daylight variety!) What's he like?

          Bob Dylan · The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-3 (Rare And Unreleased) 1961-1991 · Song · 1991

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          • johncorrigan
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            Much as I love 'Blood on the Tracks', I was astounded by the alternative versions that appeared on the Bootleg series when I first heard them. None more for me than 'Tangled up in Blue'. So when Cerys played it this morning I rushed off to the alternate version - I love the longing sparseness of this version. I'm not saying it's better, but it almost feels like Bob's singing a different song - and what a song it is.
            Bob Dylan · The Bootleg Series Volumes 1-3 (Rare And Unreleased) 1961-1991 · Song · 1991
            Last edited by johncorrigan; 18-03-12, 11:12. Reason: bobbery pokery

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            • Paul Sherratt

              ' Tangled Up ... ' John, what happens in the end ?

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              • johncorrigan
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                • Nov 2010
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                Originally posted by Paul Sherratt View Post
                ' Tangled Up ... ' John, what happens in the end ?
                Caught in a briar patch, Paul - you know what they used to sometimes say:
                'Long Road means sweat; short cut means blood.'

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                • Paul Sherratt

                  Ouch !
                  I wonder what the top three briar songs/tunes might be ?

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                  • johncorrigan
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    Originally posted by Paul Sherratt View Post
                    Ouch !
                    I wonder what the top three briar songs/tunes might be ?
                    Stuck on the thorns of a dilemma, Paul!
                    Last edited by johncorrigan; 18-03-12, 14:35. Reason: my mis-spell sounded far mose painful!

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                    • Lateralthinking1

                      Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                      Much as I love 'Blood on the Tracks', I was astounded by the alternative versions that appeared on the Bootleg series when I first heard them. None more for me than 'Tangled up in Blue'. So when Cerys played it this morning I rushed off to the alternate version - I love the longing sparseness of this version. I'm not saying it's better, but it almost feels like Bob's singing a different song - and what a song it is.
                      http://open.spotify.com/track/7uGKtSWiRwO0iyo4SdQlzK
                      Well, that is really wonderful John. I just love it and could listen to it all day. And as I've reminded myself this morning, I've got it on cd - the Bootleg Sessions volume 1-3 - although I've always concentrated on the main albums.

                      The notes are extensive. Basically, this track and others were recorded in Sep 1974 with a simple spare backing of bass, organ and steel guitar. Ten songs were pressed up on a promo disc which was sent out in very limited quantities to radio stations ahead of Blood on The Tracks. When Dylan played them over the Christmas holiday in Minnesota, he decided he was dissatisfied and re-recorded them. In the song, he experiments with changing pronouns to give ever-shifting perspectives on the song's narrative. He was inspired to do so by a painting and philosophy teacher Norman Raeben with whom he studied. Some quotes:

                      "The songs have the break-up of time, where there is no time, trying to make the focus as strong as a magnifying glass under the sun. To do that consciously is a trick.....I actually had a teacher for it."

                      "I was just trying to make it like a painting where you can see the different parts but then you can also see the whole of it. With that particular song, that's what I was trying to do.....with the concept of time, and the way the characters change from the first person to the third person, and you're never quite sure if the third person is talking or the first person is talking. But as you look at the whole thing it doesn't matter."


                      Rain features in the lyrics on Blood on the Tracks. I always felt that he got that exactly right musically with the guitar. It is a fundamental part of its magic. Make that alchemy. In this earlier version, it is much more dusty and of the desert as in, say, "If Not For You". So it is really interesting in that way. I approached it with apprehension but what a lovely surprise. I feel fortunate to have lived at the same time as someone who for me is better than Shakespeare. His work is so rich. At every point of my life I have heard something in it that is new. There will always be that ring of truth to what he does. It is impossible ever to be bored by it.
                      Last edited by Guest; 19-03-12, 12:33.

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                      • Globaltruth
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View Post
                        Well, that is really wonderful John. I just love it and could listen to it all day. And as I've reminded myself this morning, I've got it on cd - the Bootleg Sessions volume 1-3 - although I've always concentrated on the main albums.

                        The notes are extensive. Basically, this track and others were recorded in Sep 1974 with a simple spare backing of bass, organ and steel guitar. Ten songs were pressed up on a promo disc which was sent out in very limited quantities to radio stations ahead of Blood on The Tracks. When Dylan played them over the Christmas holiday in Minnesota, he decided he was dissatisfied and re-recorded them. In the song, he experiments with changing pronouns to give ever-shifting perspectives on the song's narrative. He was inspired to do so by a painting and philosophy teacher Norman Raeben with whom he studied. Some quotes:

                        "The songs have the break-up of time, where there is no time, trying to make the focus as strong as a magnifying glass under the sun. To do that consciously is a trick.....I actually had a teacher for it."

                        "I was just trying to make it like a painting where you can see the different parts but then you can also see the whole of it. With that particular song, that's what I was trying to do.....with the concept of time, and the way the characters change from the first person to the third person, and you're never quite sure if the third person is talking or the first person is talking. But as you look at the whole thing it doesn't matter."


                        Rain features in the lyrics on Blood on the Tracks. I always felt that he got that exactly right musically with the guitar. It is a fundamental part of its magic. Make that alchemy. In this earlier version, it is much more dusty and of the desert as in, say, "If Not For You". So it is really interesting in that way. I approached it with apprehension but what a lovely surprise. I feel fortunate to have lived at the same time as someone who for me is better than Shakespeare. His work is so rich. At every point of my life I have heard something in it that is new. There will always be that ring of truth to what he does. It is impossible ever to be bored by it.
                        Hmm - you chaps need to watch out - some people try and identify too closely with that feller, who did, after all, rename himself after a Welsh poet. Look what happens if you get over-obsessed....

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                        • handsomefortune

                          quite, whereas i don't identify with him at all.

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                          • johncorrigan
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                            Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
                            Hmm - you chaps need to watch out -
                            Sorry Boss, I'll be more careful in future.
                            However Lat, it's funny you should say it, but I had the Bootleg on tape when I first heard it and played TUIB and Idiot Wind for a few days on end in the car. I try to be more careful these days but sometimes when Venus and Jupiter are dancing with each other in the night sky, I revert to some of them old half-forgotten ways.

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                            • Lateralthinking1

                              Originally posted by Globaltruth View Post
                              Some people try and identify too closely with that feller....over-obsessed
                              I don't think so. Just because I have decided that I must have been conceived on the day his first album was released. That says nothing. It's funny because up until tonight, I was absolutely sure that it happened on my mother's birthday.

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                              • johncorrigan
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View Post
                                I don't think so. Just because I have decided that I must have been conceived on the day his first album was released. That says nothing. It's funny because up until tonight, I was absolutely sure that it happened on my mother's birthday.

                                http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...album-20120319
                                Hey Lat, it was a Monday too! Were the folks listening to Bob at the time, by the way?

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