Prom 2: Bohemian Rhapsody - 20.07.19

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  • edashtav
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    • Jul 2012
    • 3677

    #16
    Onwards to the apotheosis of Smetana: Ma Vlast. Not his Selfie or Ein Heldenleben but 6 symphonic poems celebrating his country Totemic music for his nation, Bohemia's Finlandia or England's Lark Ascending. The opening of Vysehrad was broad, expansive and rich from an augmented orchestra with its wind-band doubled up.

    Vltava was a good contrast with its waters bubbling briskly along. The cross rhythms between the string band were effervescent and caught the play of light on the water that John Tusa memorably recalled in the interval discussion. The jaunty contrasting episode was a tonic. Altogether, Vltava received the best playing and interpretation that I've heard during the first two days of this Proms' season. It will remain long in my mind.

    Sarka: I loved the squeeze-box evocations in the counter melody followed by mellow, haunting clarinet solo. This piece was played with love, affection and gorgeous characterization. The cheap as chips coda was dispatched like a rocket to the Moon.

    From Bohemia's Woods and Fields opened with a blaze of glorious sunshine before settling to a bucolic village scene, then pedantic schoolmaster entered whistling an austere contrapuntal exercise. The main anthem (that owes so much to Dvorak) was exultant but shot through with warnings of storms ahead.

    Tabor:time to forge blood brothers through a shared faith and comradeship of warriors. This piece was not played in a vainglorious manner but it was full of determination and confidence although its Brucknerian battle remained unresolved;
    Blanik took up the rhythmic cudgels in a brisker, more business-like manner. I found the inevitable, if surprise, victory over evil, a bit tub-thumping but that was down to Smetana

    All departments of the Bamberg played their part in what, for me, was the best performance that I've heard since first encountering it under Vaclav Talich perhaps fifty years ago. A piece that could have been written for the Royal Albert Hall.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
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      • Apr 2014
      • 7136

      #17
      If Bamberg can sustain an orchestra of that quality with a population of only 77,000 why can’t a few more English cities do so?

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      • LeMartinPecheur
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        • Apr 2007
        • 4717

        #18
        If anyone was at this concert and bought a programme, was the orchestra's principal cello one Matthias Ranft?

        Some 40 years ago my wife and I heard Matthias playing Bach cello suites in the street in Oxford, with a hat in front of him to raise money for his planned journey to USA to study. We've Googled him occasionally and tonight by pure coincidence we did so again while we were listening to the Prom, and up he popped as the Bamberg SO's principal cellist! How weird is that?
        I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          #19
          A superb Ma Vlast from an orchestra and conductor excelling in every department, and a 320-aac webcast projecting a big sound upon a big stage, studded with telling detail; faithfully conveying some extremely, daringly soft playing, as well as the unfettered power and grandeur of the many climaxes.

          From start to finish… a glorious-sounding, gloriously musical concert relay, one which many will still be recalling as Summer fades

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          • jonfan
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            • Dec 2010
            • 1465

            #20
            Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
            If Bamberg can sustain an orchestra of that quality with a population of only 77,000 why can’t a few more English cities do so?
            Err we’re still in a recession and there’s no political will, but we have orchestras their equal in most of our ‘cities’, Birmingham, Leeds (Opera North), Manchester (two), Liverpool, Glasgow (two), Newcastle, Bournemouth, Cardiff and London (loads).

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #21
              Originally posted by jonfan View Post
              Err we’re still in a recession and there’s no political will, but we have orchestras their equal in most of our ‘cities’, Birmingham, Leeds (Opera North), Manchester (two), Liverpool, Glasgow (two), Newcastle, Bournemouth, Cardiff and London (loads).
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • PhilipT
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                • May 2011
                • 423

                #22
                Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                If anyone was at this concert and bought a programme, was the orchestra's principal cello one Matthias Ranft?
                Yes, indeed so.

                My impression in the Hall was that Joshua Bell's playing was lacking in feeling, although the encore made up for that somewhat. Ma Vlast was excellent, and well worth the trip, although my feet were begging to differ by the end.

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                • makropulos
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1685

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                  If Bamberg can sustain an orchestra of that quality with a population of only 77,000 why can’t a few more English cities do so?
                  I'm just back from the concert and a note in the programme says that fully 10% of Bamberg's population are subscribers to the orchestra concerts. Amazing –and who can blame them!

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                  • makropulos
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1685

                    #24
                    Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                    If anyone was at this concert and bought a programme, was the orchestra's principal cello one Matthias Ranft?

                    Some 40 years ago my wife and I heard Matthias playing Bach cello suites in the street in Oxford, with a hat in front of him to raise money for his planned journey to USA to study. We've Googled him occasionally and tonight by pure coincidence we did so again while we were listening to the Prom, and up he popped as the Bamberg SO's principal cellist! How weird is that?
                    Indeed he is. You should be able to spot him on tomorrow (Sunday's) relay of the whole concert on BBC Four.

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                    • makropulos
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1685

                      #25
                      Má vlast was stunningly impressive in the hall. Four harps (two at either side of the platform) and with doubled wind and brass for the climactic moments (6 trombones, 8 horns etc.): a truly stupendous sound. But there was so much poetry too. Hrůša's grasp of the whole work, his musical imagination and utter conviction – and the orchestra's profound knowledge of it after a number of recent performances – made for a really memorable concert.

                      Incidentally, regarding the applause issue raised in the thread about the first night, there was applause after each of the Má vlast pieces except –crucially –between Tábor and Blaník when, thank God, there was an electrified silence. That's the only place where it would really have spoilt things but it didn't happen. I can't really quarrel with applause after the other component tone poems of the cycle.
                      Last edited by makropulos; 21-07-19, 00:22.

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                      • jayne lee wilson
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 10711

                        #26
                        Always intrigued by critical differences (and drawn back by sheer musical compulsion) I returned to BBC Sounds to listen to the Dvorak Concerto again (320-aac, same settings, levels well up...), and….wow!
                        I stand by every word of my original post (#10).

                        I loved the wildness of Joshua Bell’s reading, the degree of tonal roughness and abandon (often eschewing vibrato) bringing out the slav, the folk, the
                        tziganerie of the solo part. (Very fond of this work and rarely happy with recordings, I far prefer this idiomatic assumption to anything overtly Romantic, rich or glossy.)

                        Josh Bell describes this concerto as his “new love” and how it showed in his raptness, devotion and vivacity!

                        The orchestral response was fierily impassioned from the very start: full-toned but keenly-defined, dynamic and rhythmically alert. (Hrusa the perfectly empathetic accompanist, the range of expression matching Bell’s own).
                        Lovely unforced schwung and terrific punch in the finale. It’s all there!

                        So why not have another go? (A touch of heavy-handedness on the volume control won’t hurt either….zoom in on it!)
                        Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 21-07-19, 02:59.

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                        • Sir Velo
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                          • Oct 2012
                          • 3285

                          #27
                          I've only heard the first two pieces so far of Ma Vlast, relayed via a none too impressive Sony Soundbar. However, my impression was that the opening of Vltava was taken at a far higher speed than normal, more a river in full spate than a gently snaking watercourse. As such, a certain amount of poetry seemed to be lacking. i will listen again on a better system later to see whether initial thoughts will be confirmed.

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                          • edashtav
                            Full Member
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 3677

                            #28
                            Jayne Lee Wilson has suggested,"So why not have another go? (A touch of heavy-handedness on the volume control won’t hurt either….zoom in on it!)"

                            No time to listen again today as I'm leading an historical walk later this afternoon but must admit that I kept the volume down during the Dvorak as my wife was irritated by "noise off'. Everything became more real when I moved to headphones for Ma Vlast. Solo violins can be gobbled up by the acoustics of the RAH.
                            I do agree with this comment
                            "The orchestral response was fierily impassioned from the very start: full-toned but keenly-defined, dynamic and rhythmically alert."
                            I was taken aback by its Beethovenian ferocity as I noted... then Mrs. G intervened and big Bell became tame!
                            Listening circumstances can colour what one hears!

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                            • edashtav
                              Full Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 3677

                              #29
                              Originally posted by makropulos View Post
                              Má vlast was stunningly impressive in the hall. Four harps (two at either side of the platform) and with doubled wind and brass for the climactic moments (6 trombones, 8 horns etc.): a truly stupendous sound. But there was so much poetry too. Hrůša's grasp of the whole work, his musical imagination and utter conviction – and the orchestra's profound knowledge of it after a number of recent performances – made for a really memorable concert.

                              Incidentally, regarding the applause issue raised in the thread about the first night, there was applause after each of the Má vlast pieces except –crucially –between Tábor and Blaník when, thank God, there was an electrified silence. That's the only place where it would really have spoilt things but it didn't happen. I can't really quarrel with applause after the other component tone poems of the cycle.
                              Very useful "inside" intelligence, makropulos : those 'extras' were worth every penny spent on their flights, accommodation and booze for the brass!

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                              • LMcD
                                Full Member
                                • Sep 2017
                                • 8866

                                #30
                                Originally posted by makropulos View Post
                                I'm just back from the concert and a note in the programme says that fully 10% of Bamberg's population are subscribers to the orchestra concerts. Amazing –and who can blame them!
                                (Mainland) Europeans have always had a more enlightened attitude towards musical performance and the arts in general, I think. Perhaps the Bambergers' subscriptions are tax-deductible? I don't know offhand which is the smallest orchestra-supporting municipality, but I don't think Stavanger's that large - and doesn't Trondheim also have its own orchestra?

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