Prom 21: Olivier Latry - 4.08.19

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  • MrGongGong
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    • Nov 2010
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    #31
    Originally posted by EST1 View Post
    I don't have a SUB.
    I wouldn't touch any of that modern badly designed stuff with a barge pole.

    btw I could understand the proms concert was designed to showcase that organ.
    I think they did a splendid job of that, because they obviously used a shed load of large diaphragm (? Neumanns? ) to get the result, and very well balanced it was too.
    So what loudspeaker do you have that goes down to 11Hz then ?

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    • ANON
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      • Aug 2019
      • 33

      #32
      A HOME built MONSTER. (A pair of them).
      More's the point you actually have to have an amp that goes down that far too while still delivering decent linear power.

      It was all done deliberately to enable us to evaluate what we are doing at the opera,- pick up on all the things very quick that we might get not quite right.
      (sadly it also reproduces stamping of conductor's feet on the podium too well too!)

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      • MrGongGong
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        • Nov 2010
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        #33
        Originally posted by EST1 View Post
        A HOME built MONSTER. (A pair of them).
        More's the point you actually have to have an amp that goes down that far too while still delivering decent linear power.
        Ok
        So what are the drivers you are using ?

        (actually by definition if you are using loudspeakers that go down to 20Hz and below they are "Subs")

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        • ANON
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          • Aug 2019
          • 33

          #34
          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          (actually by definition if you are using loudspeakers that go down to 20Hz and below they are "Subs")
          I will let you think about this a little.
          The bass reponse of a system is determined by the total cone area (not what people think).

          Peter Walker had some stuff right, but failed in the execution of a lot of it.
          He had this bit right:-

          "any problem in audio engineering can be successfully addressed with "an equal mix of Ohm's Law and common sense"

          I haven't failed to be underwhelmed by the vast numbers of very expensive "high end" stuff that doesn't work..."subs" included.
          Which is why I made my own.

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          • MrGongGong
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            • Nov 2010
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            #35
            Originally posted by EST1 View Post
            I will let you think about this a little.
            The bass reponse of a system is determined by the total cone area (not what people think).

            Peter Walker had some stuff right, but failed in the execution of a lot of it.
            He had this bit right:-

            "any problem in audio engineering can be successfully addressed with "an equal mix of Ohm's Law and common sense"

            I haven't failed to be underwhelmed by the vast numbers of very expensive "high end" stuff that doesn't work..."subs" included.
            Which is why I made my own.

            hummmmmm

            And YES I have worked with a system that goes as low as you say. And yes, it was for an organ

            How about thinking that I might actually be INTERESTED in this stuff ?
            and I don't need to re-sit O level Physics again

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            • ANON
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              • Aug 2019
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              #36
              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              I don't need to re-sit O level Physics again
              Sure it was a joke + there's nothing new under the sun.

              However, the point, they don't make the breed typified by Gerzon, Walker, Fisher....and dare I say RUPERT NEVE?
              (who's birthday was just a few days ago at 93!)

              I mean he's as old as the first rebuild of the Willis organ himself!

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              • Braunschlag
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                • Jul 2017
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                #37
                ‘I was astonished to see he clearly was using 64' and 32' stops in a lot of the pieces, with obviously some serious gymnastics going on down there in places.’

                32’ maybe, no 64’ at the Albert Hall I’m afraid, try Sidney or Atlantic City......

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                • ANON
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                  • Aug 2019
                  • 33

                  #38
                  Stoplist since 2004 you can download the pdf.

                  Pedal C–f1
                  1 Acoustic Bass (from 7) 64′
                  Double Open Wood (from 7) 32′
                  3 Double Open Diapason (from 9) 32′
                  4 Contra Violone (from 64) 32′

                  23 Double Ophicleide (from 25) 32′
                  24 Double Trombone (from 27 in Swell) 32′II Great Organ C–c4
                  64 Contra Violone 32′

                  23 Double Ophicleide (from 25) 32′
                  24 Double Trombone (from 27 in Swell) 32′

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                  • Braunschlag
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                    • Jul 2017
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by EST1 View Post
                    Stoplist since 2004 you can download the pdf.

                    Pedal C–f1
                    1 Acoustic Bass (from 7) 64′
                    Double Open Wood (from 7) 32′
                    3 Double Open Diapason (from 9) 32′
                    4 Contra Violone (from 64) 32′

                    23 Double Ophicleide (from 25) 32′
                    24 Double Trombone (from 27 in Swell) 32′II Great Organ C–c4
                    64 Contra Violone 32′

                    23 Double Ophicleide (from 25) 32′
                    24 Double Trombone (from 27 in Swell) 32′
                    Yes, I know that but the 64’ is not a full length/full compass rank - it’s an acoustic rank which uses a quint or other combination of pipes to achieve a synthetic 64’ tone.

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                    • Vile Consort
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by EST1 View Post
                      In which case I very much doubt if you know what good sound is.
                      To be fair, you have to be aware a Willis based Organ has very little in common with the Cavaille-Coll monsters he plays more normally.
                      It's a bit like a pilot jumping from a Boeing into an Airbus, so you have to admire the sheer virtuosity of the man.
                      Really? You are aware that Willis and Cavaille-Coll collaborated to quite a considerable extent, including making pipework and parts for each other? On one occasion, Willis ordered from ACC some parts for reed pipes, that are known as "shallots" in English, but not in French. ACC knew exactly what he wanted but, as a joke, sent a sack of small onions.

                      That's not to say that the experience of playing a CC is much like playing a Father Willis, of course. But M Latry does play plenty of recitals in the UK so he does know his way around our consoles.

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                      • Dave2002
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                        • Dec 2010
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                        Just interested in what sub you have that goes down to 11hz ?
                        Allegedly in a £1.7 million setup!

                        What planet is this guy on?

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                        • MrGongGong
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                          Allegedly in a £1.7 million setup!

                          What planet is this guy on?
                          I'm on this one myself

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                          • bluestateprommer
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                            What about the second encore ?
                            The "second encore", the Leon Boëllmann Toccata, was actually the first and only encore. M. Latry's 'Improvisation on Themes of Berlioz' was always part of the program for this Prom.

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                            • oddoneout
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                              • Nov 2015
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
                              The "second encore", the Leon Boëllmann Toccata, was actually the first and only encore. M. Latry's 'Improvisation on Themes of Berlioz' was always part of the program for this Prom.
                              It wasn't listed as part of the programme on the BBC schedule, and this comment was a response to #17 about staying for the encore.

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