Prom 39: Elgar, Errollyn Wallen, Mendelssohn & Mussorgsky - 15.08.19

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  • johnn10
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    • Mar 2011
    • 88

    #16
    It made a refreshing change for there to be an upbeat introduction to the Sea Pictures rather than have to listen yet again to BBC stuffed shirts being sniffy about the poetry.

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
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      #17
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      At last - I am part of a community of more than one!
      Count me in for the Ravel, but I do like Stoki’s arrangement of Baba Yaga and the Great Gate!

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      • bluestateprommer
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        • Nov 2010
        • 3024

        #18
        From the limited experience of hearing EW's new work through headphones, and obviously just one listen, the exuberance that Hannah French alluded to in the interval discussion did indeed come across. It's definitely more upbeat than not in its mood. Full marks to CM for her singing here, and again to EC and the BBC NOW for its work. Will need to give it another listen at home later.

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        • Maclintick
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          • Jan 2012
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          #19
          Can't really assimilate antipathy towards the Ravel orchestration, but the piano original isn't played as often as it deserves -- I recall a Pletnev recital in the Wigmore Hall which was extraordinary --

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          • amcluesent
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            • Sep 2011
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            #20
            That performance sounded rather 'off' to me, the horns wobbly as a one-legged stool and someone hitting a tin-can at the end

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            • Once Was 4
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              • Jul 2011
              • 312

              #21
              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
              Not at all. I heard the Orchestra of Opera North play it in Scarborough last month. It's superb, and probably the best. I've heard several others, but for me, nothing else come close.
              I love it as well. In my days at ON we used to do the Walter Goehr version in schools concerts; this I believe was prepared for seaside orchestras to use when they were of more-or-less symphonic strength. It's dreadful! I played several times in my early professional days for Walter's son Alexander who was a much underrated musician and conductor (note the distinction!) Walter himself was remembered by some Halle old hands as distinctly cantankerous. Does anybody have the recordings of him conducting the LSO and other orchestras that were released by the Concert Hall Record Club?

              Back to Pictures: one very fine version which I suppose is nearer to the sound of the original is that for (orchestral) brass by Elgar Howarth. I have been lucky enough to play that version with Mr Howarth conducting. Happy days!

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              • bluestateprommer
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                • Nov 2010
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                #22
                Originally posted by amcluesent View Post
                That performance sounded rather 'off' to me, the horns wobbly as a one-legged stool and someone hitting a tin-can at the end
                Bits of this reading were 'off' to me as well, namely from the solo trumpet and solo horn. The rest was generally all right, but solo clams in the work do stick out like sore thumbs. Speaking of the end, it occurred to me to wonder how the tocsin bells for the end of DSCH 11 might have sounded here, unless they would have overwhelmed the proceedings.

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                • gradus
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #23
                  There were a few dodgy moments but overall it was a spirited performance that I enjoyed greatly and I thought the R3 sound very good indeed with plenty of orchestral weight and clarity too. Altogether enjoyable.

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                  • edashtav
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                    • Jul 2012
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Not at all. I heard the Orchestra of Opera North play it in Scarborough last month. It's superb, and probably the best. I've heard several others, but for me, nothing else come close.
                    I agree, Alpie!

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                    • edashtav
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                      • Jul 2012
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                      #25
                      I'm disappointed to note a paucity of reaction to Errollyn Wallen's new piece. I was fascinated by the Interval talk that brought out the difference between Errollyn's stripped down piano score and the eventual rich orchestral overlay. Her idiom is not cutting edge but she's a very professional and experienced composer. Her music has clarity , direction and purpose. The vocal lines given to Catriona Morison sounded grateful to sing and they were supported but never overwhelmed by the rich, lyrical orchestration. The piece communicated both to the audience in the RAH and to me at home. I felt that the conductor knew and loved the work and she ensured that the BBC NOW responded in a like manner. The work and the performance deserve to be repeated and, perhaps, put on CD. Full marks all round. Not a masterpiece but good, solid fare.

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                      • kernelbogey
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #26
                        Nicola Heywood-Thomas gave a lesson in introduction and scene painting without the gimickery of other new-style Proms presenters: very refreshing.

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                          Nicola Heywood-Thomas gave a lesson in introduction and scene painting without the gimickery of other new-style Proms presenters: very refreshing.
                          And I’ve said before a lovely voice to listen to - exudes warmth.

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                          • jonfan
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            And I’ve said before a lovely voice to listen to - exudes warmth.

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                            • Historian
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                              • Aug 2012
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              And I’ve said before a lovely voice to listen to - exudes warmth.
                              Agreed.

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                              • seabright
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                                • Jan 2013
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                                #30
                                Apropos Mussorgsky's "Pictures," it became apparent even to his contemporaries that here was an orchestral work straight-jacketed into a monochrome 2-stave format. Within a few years of Mussorgsky's death, Mikhail Tushmalov, a pupil of Rimsky-Korsakov, had produced an abridged orchestral version which R-K duly performed in 1891. Sir Henry Wood's version, also somewhat abridged, dates from 1915, and next came Leo Funtek's orchestration in 1922. Michael Russ, in his 'Cambridge Music Handbooks' discussion of the various arrangements, states that Funtek's orchestration "strongly contrasts with Wood's, and to a lesser extent Ravel's, in his almost absolute faithfulness to Mussorgsky's original."

                                Koussevitzky's commission from Ravel came next and was given its first recording by his Boston Symphony Orchestra. When Ormandy took over the Philadelphia Orchestra, following Stokowski's resignation, he decided that he too wanted a version of his own, so he commission one from Lucien Cailliet, a Philadelphia woodwind principal and also a composer and arranger in his own right. This arrangement was recorded on 78s in 1937 and doubtless prompted Stokowski to enter the fray with his own transcription two years later. He evidently felt the Ravel version was too "Gallic" so he produced what he felt was a more "Slavic" orchestration and to make the point dropped the two "French" pictures, 'Tuileries' and 'Limoges'! Gorchakov and Ashkenazy evidently felt much the same, so that accounts for their own versions. Lawrence Leonard however, decided that the work would make an excellent concerto, so he retained the piano part and clothed the work in orchestral colour.

                                I'm quoting from the Wiki entry on "Pictures" which features a 'partial listing' of all the various arrangements of the work, from Tushmalov in 1886 all the way up to Tomazs Golka this year, something like 70 different versions in all. These include not only all the orchestral transcriptions but also arrangements for jazz bands, rock groups, synthesizers, brass bands, organs, guitars, etc. In short, Mussorgky's "Pictures" has to be the most-arranged piano work of all time! ...

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