Prom 68: Berlin Philharmonic & Kirill Petrenko (II) – 2.09.18

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  • jayne lee wilson
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    • Jul 2011
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    #16
    BERLIN PHIL/K.PETRENKO. BEETHOVEN 7. R3 HDs.

    Assai meno presto, is Beethoven’s marking for the trio; and Kirill Petrenko’s swiftly flowing, rhythmically supple, intensely inspired reading of this section of the 7th, on the very edge of orchestral coherence, was a microcosm of this remarkable performance.

    From the very start, the 1st movement was wonderfully alert and incisive, both danceable and dynamic, rhythms never forced but always alive, only ambiguous where that could count. Such a range of weight and colour in this playing, but always spontaneous, never sounding over-prepared or merely giving us their rehearsed responses; the exposition repeat was far more than a repeat.
    And perhaps this is where we can start to grasp the specialness of Petrenko’s Berlin assumption:

    something of Rozhdestvensky’s desire always to leave something - preferably, a great deal - for the creation of the concert performance in the moment of that performance; a sense that it might go another way at any of those moments; the orchestra as a flock of birds, seemingly random but in fact, instinctually responsive.

    The allegretto followed almost attacca (this was a symphony conceived in two parts tonight, with the only pause between ii and iii), so flowing, so intense at the climax with great tonal weight, yet with smilingly relaxed moods in between. Then a hi-energy scherzo with subtle, barely perceptible rubato accelerando to heighten the excitement; that extraordinary trio, revealing again that willingness to take risks, to push coherence to the limit in the heat of creation (just listen to the trio repeat!).
    K-Petrenko took great and affectionate care over dynamic subtleties in this movement.

    The finale had an intensity, a precision, an on-the-edge riskiness, rarely experienced and almost impossible to describe: every single repeat at white-heat-white-light - it crowned a performance already beyond the reach of superlatives.

    ***
    Sarah Willis, in an exchange with tonight’s presenter, said, as you might expect, that Kirill Petrenko wanted to play his Beethoven 7th, not, as she put it, “Karajan, or Simon, or Abbado”…

    Perhaps I read too much into things, but the way she named the conductors seemed telling….
    ...
    Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 03-09-18, 02:35.

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    • Hornspieler
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      • Sep 2012
      • 1847

      #17
      I have just been listening to that stunning performance of Don Juan and it reminds me of one of my memorable reminiscences of my teacher, Aubrey Brain.

      Unlike many of his contempories, Aubrey was very straight-laced. I never heard him utter an oath or deride a fellow horn player, but he was a bit "left behind by his contemporaries and chose not to express disapproval of the actions of his fellow musicians and this concerned tuition for Leonard prior to his playing that important solo at the RAM's .

      But one occasion has always stayed in my memory. It concerns that renegade oboist Alec Whittaker.

      Aubrey's son Leonard played the oboe and was studying at the Royal Academy of Music under Whitaker's tuition prior to playing in the RAMs end-of- term concert.

      Apparently, Leonard told his father "... Mr Whittaker told me that I should play that solo "...imagining that "I was ravishing the most beautiful woman in the world."

      ... "and do you know what Donald? He played it so beautifully that I was thoroughly ashamed of him!

      I wonder what thoughts that Berlin oboist was thinking about in the Royal Albert Hall?

      Certainly ravishing was an appropriate description for that wonderful performance

      HS

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      • silvestrione
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        • Jan 2011
        • 1734

        #18
        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
        BERLIN PHIL/K.PETRENKO. BEETHOVEN 7. R3 HDs.



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        ***
        Sarah Willis, in an exchange with tonight’s presenter, said, as you might expect, that Kirill Petrenko wanted to play his Beethoven 7th, not, as she put it, “Karajan, or Simon, or Abbado”…

        Perhaps I read too much into things, but the way she named the conductors seemed telling….
        ...
        You misheard Jayne, she did say 'Claudio'!

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        • Bryn
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          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #19
          Originally posted by silvestrione View Post
          You misheard Jayne, she did say 'Claudio'!
          Quite, ramming the implication home even harder.

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          • Richard Barrett
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            • Jan 2016
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            #20
            Originally posted by silvestrione View Post
            You misheard Jayne, she did say 'Claudio'!
            It would have been a bit of a shock if she'd said "Herbert", wouldn't it?

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            • Darkbloom
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              • Feb 2015
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              #21
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              Quite, ramming the implication home even harder.
              The implication being what? If she'd called Karajan 'Herbert' (presumably before her time anyway) I'd have fallen out of my chair. She knew those two personally, that's all. I don't think anyone called Karajan 'Herbert'. Even his parents probably looked at those ice-blue eyes and called him 'Herr von Karajan'.

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              • edashtav
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                • Jul 2012
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                #22
                Originally posted by Darkbloom View Post
                The implication being what? If she'd called Karajan 'Herbert' (presumably before her time anyway) I'd have fallen out of my chair. She knew those two personally, that's all. I don't think anyone called Karajan 'Herbert'. Even his parents probably looked at those ice-blue eyes and called him 'Herr von Karajan'.
                Karajan was certainly Grand...

                "There's this wonderful joke," violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter says, "where apparently Karajan landed in Berlin, and he took a cab and the cab driver asked him, 'Where to, maestro?' And he answered, 'Oh, it doesn't matter. They need me everywhere.'"

                And, of course, some folk, say of WAM, “ He was born in Salzburg, the birthplace of Herbert von Karajan.”

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                • jayne lee wilson
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                  • Jul 2011
                  • 10711

                  #23
                  Originally posted by silvestrione View Post
                  You misheard Jayne, she did say 'Claudio'!
                  Gosh. Thanks. Utterly ashamed. Perils of insomnia, Valerian and cognac. Better stick to coffee-only in the interval tonight...

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Darkbloom View Post
                    . Even his parents probably looked at those ice-blue eyes and called him 'Herr von Karajan'.
                    No - they called him "Heribert".
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • mathias broucek
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1303

                      #25
                      I remember Conlon having an attacca from I-ii as well as iii-iv and very effective it was too

                      Sounds like I need to listen to this concert!

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                      • gradus
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5637

                        #26
                        Cor blimey! Just caught up with the Beethoven, some performance, it reminded me very much of the Toscaninni reading.
                        What a fantastic day at the Proms. After that very fine Mahler 3 with the BSO, we get this concert too.
                        Many thanks R3.

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                        • mathias broucek
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by gradus View Post
                          Cor blimey! Just caught up with the Beethoven, some performance, it reminded me very much of the Toscaninni reading.
                          What a fantastic day at the Proms. After that very fine Mahler 3 with the BSO, we get this concert too.
                          Many thanks R3.
                          Crumbs, this is very special (Beethoven)! Lovely that he's using the full weight and sonority of the orchestra but without any heaviness. So much energy! Divided fiddles too :-)

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                          • BBMmk2
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            #28
                            Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                            Crumbs, this is very special (Beethoven)! Lovely that he's using the full weight and sonority of the orchestra but without any heaviness. So much energy! Divided fiddles too :-)
                            Must catch up!
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • Bryn
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                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #29
                              Originally posted by mathias broucek View Post
                              Crumbs, this is very special (Beethoven)! Lovely that he's using the full weight and sonority of the orchestra but without any heaviness. So much energy! Divided fiddles too :-)
                              Full weight? Of an orchestra of reduced complement yes, but full orchestra, no. A McG made a point of mentioning the reduced size for the Beethoven.

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                              • Bryn
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                                • Mar 2007
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
                                Must catch up!
                                Indeed you should. While there is still a very special place in my affections for the slimmed down* Barenboim performance at "Das Konzert" in November 1989, Sunday's was, musically, rather more special.

                                * In terms of repeats, that is.
                                Last edited by Bryn; 04-09-18, 08:28. Reason: Clarification.

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