Prom 66: Berlin Philharmonic & Kirill Petrenko (I) - 1.09.18

[jayne lee wilson]

I hope to be in Berlin next week for the music festival. The Berliner Philharmoniker are performing, at one of the concerts I'll be attending, but it's Sir George Benjamin conducting a programme that appeals to me.

https://www.berlinerfestspiele.de/en...ail_244889.php

I knew I'd get those Petrenkos confused sooner or later... sorry Stan.
Anyway it's all your fault for mentioning both in the same post....... there ought to be a law...

BTW, BPO/KP have just given the Strauss/Beethoven programme in Berlin and it should be available in their archive soon. The Schmidt 4 will be performed there on 30/08/18.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Paul Dukas: La Péri – Fanfare
The concert opens with Dukas’s exotic, Impressionistic ballet score La péri, prefaced by the arresting curtain-raising fanfare the composer later added.

The Proms website is a smidgen ambiguous, referring only to the Fanfare (which lasts about 2 mins) whilst giving a running time of "21 mins". Presumably, the whole of the "Poème Dansé en un tableau - which does take about 21 mins - is being given?

[Serial_Apologist]

The Proms website is a smidgen ambiguous, referring only to the Fanfare (which lasts about 2 mins) whilst giving a running time of "21 mins". Presumably, the whole of the "Poème Dansé en un tableau - which does take about 21 mins - is being given?

And "impressionistic" is rather stretching an otherwise useful but over over-used term, given that La Péri is extremely melodic in the completed melody sense - as are many so-called "impressionist" works by Ravel, Falla, Bax, Respighi, et al which are not. You don't often get a complete melody in the mature Debussy - tendencies tail off, drift in nebulous or ambiguous directions, or change course suddenly, as in "Iberia". "La plus que lente" is not an "impressionist" work, by that definition, whereas Holst's "Neptune" qualifies. Impressionist-, or Debussy-influenced harmonic methods, would be more accurate for the Dukas work.

[bluestateprommer]

The Proms website is a smidgen ambiguous, referring only to the Fanfare (which lasts about 2 mins) whilst giving a running time of "21 mins". Presumably, the whole of the "Poème Dansé en un tableau - which does take about 21 mins - is being given?

Yes, KP and the BPO will perform the whole of La Péri, as they are performing the same concert in Lucerne this Thursday:

https://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/konzerte/kalender/details/52074/

"Paul Dukas: Fanfare für Blechbläser aus La Péri
Paul Dukas: La Péri, Poème dansé

Sergej Prokofjew: Konzert für Klavier und Orchester Nr. 3 C-Dur op. 26
Yuja Wang Klavier

Franz Schmidt: Symphonie Nr. 4 C-Dur"

The BPO's page on the Prom: https://www.berliner-philharmoniker....details/52087/

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

[Pulcinella]

The (printed) Proms Guide says:
Dukas La Peri — Fanfare and Poème dansé (21’)

[Alain Maréchal]

[/I]This could be quite a good game. I can't conceive of a program for the Franck yet, though I love the piece very much.
(Isn't there someone missing from this discussion?)

Yes, but he's on holiday for the month. He perhaps cannot understand why the CF symphonie is considered autobiographical, or if that is what is meant by a selfie-symphonie.

p.s. He might perhaps argue that all Vierne's Symphonies pour orgues are the ultimate selfies-symphonies: "I am overwhelmed by my grief, let me show you by how much".

[jayne lee wilson]

Yes, but he's on holiday for the month. He perhaps cannot understand why the CF symphonie is considered autobiographical, or if that is what is meant by a selfie-symphonie.

p.s. He might perhaps argue that all Vierne's Symphonies pour orgues are the ultimate selfies-symphonies: "I am overwhelmed by my grief, let me show you by how much".

The missing person I had in mind was.... the originator of the term, "selfie-symphonies..."....

[Alain Maréchal]

The missing person I had in mind was.... the originator of the term, "selfie-symphonies..."....

Then, my apologies. I must attempt to avoid the feeling that everybody is whispering behind my back.
I have tried our friends at google, but I cannot help. It is a term quite new to me (as was "selfie" until recently - my portable telephone is suitable for speech and text only.
On the subject of progress I side with Theotocopulos.)

[Stanfordian]

I knew I'd get those Petrenkos confused sooner or later... sorry Stan.
Anyway it's all your fault for mentioning both in the same post....... there ought to be a law...

BTW, BPO/KP have just given the Strauss/Beethoven programme in Berlin and it should be available in their archive soon. The Schmidt 4 will be performed there on 30/08/18.

Hiya Jayne,

I did this this note to you yesterday, but it seemed to disappear into the ether.

Next week at Musikfest Berlin I will be attending a number of concerts by the Berliner Philharmoniker and other visiting orchestras. One of the featured composer’s at the Berlin festival this year is Bernd Alois Zimmermann as it is the hundredth anniversary of his birth. I have CDs of the three I did this this note to you yesterday, but it seemed to disappear into the ether.

Next week at Musikfest Berlin I will be attending a number of concerts by the Berliner Philharmoniker and other visiting orchestras. One of the featured composer’s at the Berlin festival this year is Bernd Alois Zimmermann as it is the hundredth anniversary of his birth. I have CDs of recordings of the three works I am due to hear which are:

a. ‘Stille und Umkehr’, orchestra sketches (1970) - Deutsche Oper Berlin / Donald Runnicles
b. ‘Photoptosis’, prelude for large orchestra (1968) - Deutsche Oper Berlin / Donald Runnicles
c. ‘Ich wandte mich um und sah alles Unrecht das geschah unter der Sonne — Ekklesiastische Aktion’ for two narrators, bass and orchestra (1970) - Münchner Philharmoniker / Valery Gergiev

I was wondering if you or anyone else have any opinions on the music of Zimmermann?

[edashtav]

The missing person I had in mind was.... the originator of the term, "selfie-symphonies..."....

I’ve had a dream, Jayne, that featured your missing man supping, te lucis ante terminum, with Jeggers on his Organic Farm in Dorset on Isabella Gardiner’s Marinated Venison whilst musing on whether there was a British Cowpat school of composers. Jeggers thought it had existed but denied that its inspiration was his uncle’s Shepherd Fennel piece. Ferney considered the whole thing to have been a Lutyens smear reheated by an ignorant blogger on For 3.

Meanwhile, I’ve found that a blogger Mahlerman in The Dabbler identified four of the school back in 2011, and then proceeded to defend each with some elegance against the dire charge.

“And if you were to run an eye over their current ‘top ten’, you would notice that four of that [Classic FM] list are fully paid-up members of our thriving ‘cow-pat school’, a term (which stuck) conjured up by arch-modernist composer Elizabeth Lutyens (’12-Tone Lizzie’) sixty years ago to describe the pastoral school that she clearly had little time for. No sign of Sir Edwin’s little girl in the Top 300, and I don’t hear many paper-boys whistling her first success ‘O Saisons O Chateaux’, but the Classic FM list is splattered with musical bovine faecal matter that, put simply, people love. Today we will stay clear of the chart-toppers, Vaughan Williams’ The Lark Ascending (1) and Tallis’ Fantasia (3), and take the overgrown path to some rarely heard dabbling beauties.[…]”
Mahlerman’s quartet were PW/PH, RVW, HH and GF.
I suspect that when the For3 ignoramus takes his annual post-Proms vacation, ferney will be back firing on all threads.

[bluestateprommer]

For those with time to get ready for "compare and contrast", Bavarian Radio has this relay of the Berlin Phil & Kirill P.'s Lucerne concert of this program:

https://www.br-klassik.de/programm/radio/ausstrahlung-1495510.html

[jayne lee wilson]

So it's almost upon us....
Very unusual choice, the Dukas Péri drifting, shimmering, surging (very intriguing, dark and downbeat scenario to the ballet...)... and the fanfare doesn't really belong with it, does it?
See what you think...

[edashtav]

So it's almost upon us....
Very unusual choice, the Dukas Péri drifting, shimmering, surging (very intriguing, dark and downbeat scenario to the ballet...)... and the fanfare doesn't really belong with it, does it?
See what you think...

I love the fanfare, Jayne, but as an hors d’oeuvre to La Péri it’s as apposite as serving horsesteak tartare to diners from an Equine Society.

[BBMmk2]

I love the fanfare, Jayne, but as an hors d’oeuvre to La Péri it’s as apposite as serving horsesteak tartare to diners from an Equine Society.

I’ve actually been involved in playing of La Péri. Very good one to play. Can’t wait for the Schmitt.