Prom 22: A London Symphony – 31.07.18

[Pabmusic]

Of course, you and Alpie are correct in one sense: there was never a collective called “cowpat” with a membership. Cowpat [school] was a Collective noun applied externally to lasso a group of composers who had certain stylistic similarities. The noun was used in a derisive manner often by those who wished to feel distinct and, maybe, superior.

The literature abounds with such usage and that cannot be denied. Whether Lutyens or someone else actually published a list of the ‘usual suspects’ is another matter.

Correct in one sense but not in another? Oh, I see - we're not correct in the sense that the ill-defined term has been used in arrogance. But it was you who raised the comparison witj Les Six amd tne Mighty Handful, and asked "Can anyone unearth a definive list?" Or am I just correct in a sense?

[vinteuil]

Re. #117, it should be stressed that it was at a Dartington Summer School event that Lutyens used the term, (not to be confused with the ill-fated Dartington School).

... mind you, edashtav's #117 actually referred to the Darlington School of Music...



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[Bryn]

... mind you, edashtav's #117 actually referred to the Darlington School of Music...



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Looks like we bot misread #117. It actually reads "Darlington School of Music", presumably referring to the Jacques School of Music, though I know of no Lutyens connection there.

[LMcD]

I think the government directive was about Pooh-sticks. Poo sticks is something else.

I think that adding (or, if you prefer, reinstating) the 'h' would be contrary to the spirit of the message.
While RVW composed a symphony about the sea, Parry was by all accounts a skilled yachtsman, so he probably competed regularly at Cows Week.
Am I alone in feeling that this thread needs the odd bit of light-hearted word play to temporarily offset some of the heavyweight exchanges?

[cloughie]

I think that adding (or, if you prefer, reinstating) the 'h' would be contrary to the spirit of the message.
While RVW composed a symphony about the sea, Parry was by all accounts a skilled yachtsman, so he probably competed regularly at Cows Week.
Am I alone in feeling that this thread needs the odd bit of light-hearted word play to temporarily offset some of the heavyweight exchanges?

I think it should be timed out, frankly its just got tedious, but if others like the way it has gone then who am I to inhibit free speech!

[bluestateprommer]

Currently on the air for Afternoon on 3. If Forum click stats are anything to go buy, this is the "hit" of this Proms season so far, at 5000+ and counting (even if it's mainly the same several folks checking back on the discussion).

[LMcD]

Currently on the air for Afternoon on 3. If Forum click stats are anything to go buy, this is the "hit" of this Proms season so far, at 5000+ and counting (even if it's mainly the same several folks checking back on the discussion).

I'm not surprised. Most of the audience's rapturous reception of the performance was cut, which I think is a pity.
I'll quite happily desist from further word play if that will help put this thread to bed! Let's just rejoice at the fact that this particular concert was enjoyed by so many and gave rise to such a lively discussion.

[edashtav]

... mind you, edashtav's #117 actually referred to the Darlington School of Music...



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I have a very superior computer, vinteuil, it was DARTINGTON when it left my brain but, as you see, I’ve used caps. to avoid being corrected, AGAIN!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Re. #117, it should be stressed that it was at a Dartington Summer School event that Lutyens used the term, (not to be confused with the ill-fated Dartington School).

I have a cellist friend who went to that school. Although it closed in 1987, a spinoff school survives:-

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sands_School

[edashtav]

I'm not surprised. Most of the audience's rapturous reception of the performance was cut, which I think is a pity.
I'll quite happily desist from further word play if that will help put this thread to bed! Let's just rejoice at the fact that this particular concert was enjoyed by so many and gave rise to such a lively discussion.

I expect to join you, soon, LMcD, after, perhaps, two posts: one in which I shall list RVW’s positive features as a composer and a final one in which I shall tweak Ferney’s comparison which placed RVW perhaps third amongst his contemporaries, with Stravinsky and Schönberg ahead of him.

But now I must shop and cook.
What a shame that Mrs. G. will not thank me if I grill ‘cow patties’, this evening.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

But, getting back to the concert, did we like the Haydn?

[edashtav]

But, getting back to the concert, did we like the Haydn?

Yes, we did!

Why could the Esterhazy orchestra not find its composer?
Because he was Haydn, in London!

[Pabmusic]

But, getting back to the concert, did we like the Haydn?

Loved it. But since the monothematic last movement is based on Croatian folk song (as is much of no. 103). I am tempted to ask whether that qualifies this London Symphony for the Cowpat school. After all (to quote something someone said earlier) "I remain incredulous that, at the age of almost [70], he was writing the [London] Symphony using themes as long as folk tunes, without realising the structural deficit they were causing".

[Bryn]

Loved it. But since the monothematic last movement is based on Croatian folk song (as is much of no. 103). I am tempted to ask whether that qualifies this London Symphony for the Cowpat school. After all (to quote something someone said earlier) "I remain incredulous that, at the age of almost [70], he was writing the [London] Symphony using themes as long as folk tunes, without realising the structural deficit they were causing".

It's the way you tell.em.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]