Prom 15: Paul Lewis plays Beethoven’s ‘Emperor’ concerto – 25.07.18

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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
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    #31
    Originally posted by edashtav View Post
    Oh dear, I’m now on the spot:
    Concertgebouw, BPO, London PO, Leningrad PO, Lucerne Festival O., BBC PO...
    I should have said top dozen!
    *New thread?* klaxon
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • Darkbloom
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      • Feb 2015
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      #32
      Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
      LSO surely? Bavarian RSO.
      There's an outfit in Vienna said to be quite promising too.

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      • gedsmk
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        • Dec 2010
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        #33
        Originally posted by Darkbloom View Post
        There's an outfit in Vienna said to be quite promising too.
        Also Dresden? Leipzig?

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        • edashtav
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          • Jul 2012
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          #34
          Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
          LSO surely? Bavarian RSO.
          Indeed, bbm!

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          • Oldcrofter
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            • Dec 2010
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            #35
            I found this a very interesting interview with Paul Lewis:

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            • cloughie
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              • Dec 2011
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              #36
              Originally posted by edashtav View Post
              Oh dear, I’m now on the spot:
              Concertgebouw, BPO, London PO, Leningrad PO, Lucerne Festival O., BBC PO...
              I should have said top dozen!
              Settle for 20 then you can stop digging!

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              • Barbirollians
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                • Nov 2010
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                #37
                Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                Great performance of the concerto, I thought.

                As for the git who shouted YEAHH a split-second after the end of the first movement....
                It is just taking clapping between movements one step further !

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                • edashtav
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                  • Jul 2012
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                  #38
                  I listened this afternoon to the repeat of Tansy Davies’s new Suite for I feared that, perhaps, I’d be3n a little harsh in post# 21.
                  What I had failed to acknowledge was the lucidity and clarity of the BBC PO’s performance under Ben Gernon. How3ver, the music still failed to convince me. Itd subject , 9/11, is such a black one that one can’t expect even as much good cheer, as the hope that occasionally lightens R.Strauss’s Death and Transfiguration. But the enveloping grey fog, the disorientation, and the endless bleakness of Tansy’s fournmovements, have none of the variety and textural variation that one finds in the most desolate works of Shostakovich. There was insufficient rhythmic variety and interest and instead of the whole work building a cumulative intensity, it became tame, its teeth drawn by too much of the same, and the music’s idiom degenerated into them generic: late 20th century angst.
                  I do hope other Boarders find kinder things to say because Tansy Davies has been a force for hope in 21st British music and I want to believe that her best is yet to come.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                    • Sep 2011
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by edashtav View Post
                    I do hope other Boarders find kinder things to say because Tansy Davies has been a force for hope in 21st British music and I want to believe that her best is yet to come.
                    Well - yes, the work maintained its interest on a second hearing (the last Movement went on a bit without doing much beyond umming and ahhing) and I found enough to engage my interest. But I would think that "a force for hope in 21st Century British Music" wouldn't write stuff that sounded so similar to British Music from 30 years ago (or even 40 - quite a lot of it sounded much as I remember Iain Hamilton's Aurora sounded in the mid-'70s. Of course, I only heard that work three times - including once Live - all over 40 years ago, so precise similarities aren't meant to be taken literally).

                    Like you, ed, I hope that her best work is yet to come - hope against hope, in that so much of her recent Music makes me think that her best work is behind her. Did you hear Cave on last Saturday's Hear & Now? (I presume it's not a Latin title.) I missed the opera, but caught her "playlist" afterwards - it included some of my favourite living composers, which delighted me. I wish that there was a similar engagement with these composers demonstrated in her own compositions.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                      • Sep 2011
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                      I'm wondering if we listened to the same second half!
                      Here at Casa Pulcinella we thought it rushed, scrappy, not well articulated.....didn't enjoy it very much!
                      Maybe the fact that it was my A-level set work (very) many years ago has something to do with it (but that doesn't explain my partner's feelings).
                      Oooooooooooh, no, surely no, Pulcie. One of my "A"-level set works, too, and I thought that this was a terrific performance of the work. I didn't think that the tempo of the main theme of the Scherzo worked (it didn't let the contrast with the ... errr ... contrasting episodes work, do have a word with your lad, Bbm!) but everything else was superbly thought out and (the sweaty rigours of Live performance in the Albert Hall in the middle of a heat wave permitting) quite magnificently performed. AND the Expo repeat given - I could KISS them! Quite the finest Live Brahms Second I've heard in a very long time - if this is the standard Ben Gernon has set for himself in his twenties, he's set to become one of the composer's finest ever conductors. But someone needs to tell him that "bringing out the darker moments of the work" is nothing surprising: Furtwangler did this in the '40s and '50s, and Abbado in the '80s (both before he was born, of course!).

                      We both enjoyed the Emperor, though.
                      So did I! (Obviously had excellent teachers at school!)
                      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                      • edashtav
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                        • Jul 2012
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        [...] Did you hear Cave on last Saturday's Hear & Now? (I presume it's not a Latin title.) I missed the opera, but caught her "playlist" afterwards - it included some of my favourite living composers, which delighted me. I wish that there was a similar engagement with these composers demonstrated in her own compositions.
                        No.. I don’t like Hear and Now on Saturday evenings , ferney, but I MUST do better by using the iPlayer... Don’t I recall hearing the Cave as composed by one of the American Minimalists at the South Bank, ten is so years ago? I think it was multi-media but remember it’s music as thin gruel.

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post


                          As for the git who shouted YEAHH a split-second after the end of the first movement....
                          ... and the sheep followed in kind.

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                          • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by jonfan View Post
                            Sad Caliban that you haven’t been so moved by what you’ve just heard that you haven’t felt the need to shout out.
                            That's like when my son was ten years old and was told not to touch something.
                            "But I NEED to touch it", he replied.

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                              • Sep 2011
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by ed
                              Don’t I recall hearing the Cave as composed by one of the American Minimalists at the South Bank, ten is so years ago? I think it was multi-media but remember it’s music as thin gruel.
                              The Cave is the video opera Steve Reich and his wife Beryl Korot, ed - I dunno about the South Bank, but it was done at Huddersfield over twenty years ago. It uses the recorded speech samples technique that Reich had previously used in Different Trains, and the title refers to the joint origins of Judaism and Islam.

                              Cave (no definite article, like Wigmore and Carnegie Halls) is about a post-environmental disaster world.
                              Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 31-07-18, 17:10. Reason: "neg" not "nag"
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                The Cave is the video opera Steve Reich and his wife Beryl Korot, ed - I dunno about the South Bank, but it was done at Huddersfield over twenty years ago. It uses the recorded speech samples technique that Reich had previously used in Different Trains, and the title refers to the joint origins of Judaism and Islam.

                                Cave (no definite article, like Wigmore and Carnagie Halls) is about a post-environmental disaster world.


                                So what about the Liverpool nightclub? Oh no, that's The Cavern.

                                So where's "Cavern"?

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