Prom 3: BBC Young Musician 40th Anniversary - 15.07.18

[MrGongGong]

I did wonder what audience it was aimed at.

Probably aimed at people who like listening to music rather than those who complain that their cheese isn't an orange ?

[edashtav]

It saved about 15 minutes - how the heavens could it be said they did not have the time ? What next ? - sorry we don't have time for the final movement of this symphony ?

'nough said. BBC Young Musicians encourages participants to essay concerti before they have sufficient maturity then, when they are ready, Nanny feeds them on nursery bibs and bobs. Madness!

[french frank]

Well don’t listen to it if it’s not your thing. It’s like complaining that a string quartet isn’t a symphony orchestra. You’ve got your wireless on the wrong part of the dial, just move it along until you find what you want.

??? I didn't listen to it and shan't. But I wasn't complaining about it. You said people 'didn't get it', I asked whether it wasn't the case that they did 'get it' but didn't like it. But no one would know for sure whether they will like it or not if they don't listen.

[jonfan]

'nough said. BBC Young Musicians encourages participants to essay concerti before they have sufficient maturity , then when they are ready, Nanny feeds the on nursery bins,and bobs. Madness!

Good job Mozart or Mendelssohn didn’t wait for maturity or they’d be dead before they’d essayed anything. Alina Ibragimova writes in the August BBC Music Magazine that she would like to record the Bach Partitas again as her view has changed but also makes the point she’d like to record them in about 20 years time too. Not better but different. Du Pre Elgar would have been lost if she’d waited.
(I don’t follow what your last phrases are about).
There has been at least one documentary on the YM’s 40 years, broadcast near the competition earlier this year.

[kernelbogey]

Just wondering whether this kind of Prom damages the brand by putting off those who had seen the Proms as 'more serious'. Presumably the Beeb has considered this and decided that the gain and loss balance each other out with a net benefit of punters and radio & tv audiences.

(CF discussions passim about Essential Classics etc etc.)

[Barbirollians]

The Times points out in its two star review that there was 100 minutes of music and 80 minutes of chat . Somehow perhaps some of the chat could have given way at least to the missing movements of Carnival .

I thought the concert sadly typical of the BBC's dumbing down attitude . The BBC commissions with the exception of the Gershwin arrangement were second rate in the extreme . A horribly missed opportunity.

[french frank]

Just wondering whether this kind of Prom damages the brand by putting off those who had seen the Proms as 'more serious'. Presumably the Beeb has considered this and decided that the gain and loss balance each other out with a net benefit of punters and radio & tv audiences.

(CF discussions passim about Essential Classics etc etc.)

And as with the R3 programming, the question is: Does it lead listeners/concert-goers on towards the more demanding stuff (where 'demanding' can mean several things, including needing sustained attention for more that 10 minutes max.)?

[jonfan]

The Times points out in its two star review that there was 100 minutes of music and 80 minutes of chat . Somehow perhaps some of the chat could have given way at least to the missing movements of Carnival .

I thought the concert sadly typical of the BBC's dumbing down attitude . The BBC commissions with the exception of the Gershwin arrangement were second rate in the extreme . A horribly missed opportunity.

80 minutes of chat? I don't think that's correct based on the BBC4 broadcast I saw. Quite a bit of stage management was needed though I accept. We seem a bit obsessed about the missing minutes of Carnival. I don't accept dumbing down of the BBC. At least they are one of the few groups that do commission. Where's the detailed evidence? Thank goodness for the BBC and its commissions and work with promoting music with the young. It's the government we should accuse of dumbing down, especially the arts in schools.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

We seem a bit obsessed about the missing minutes of Carnival..

Personally, it was the missing minutes of the Reich that annoyed me the more. But you do not see why people might be justified to object to such "highlights"?

[Bryn]

Personally, it was the missing minutes of the Reich that annoyed me the more. But you do not see why people might be justified to object to such "highlights"?

I have canceled my order for the CDs of the premiere of Drumming. However, I have now placed another, with a different supplier who wanted a little over half the price. In terms of that recording, it's more like an hour that was missing from the Reich. It's not just that perfromers have upped the basic tempo, over the years. They cut the number of repeats (as allowed by the composer) and carry out the phase transitions too quickly.

[Barbirollians]

At the risk of stating the obvious the raison d'être for Carnival was to showcase past piano winners of the competition. Hence no Elephant or Swan movements, for example.

Like others here, I too didn't like the newly-added transitional music between the selected movements, but obviously for desired continuity purposes.

The Swan was played !

[Richard Tarleton]

Personally, it was the missing minutes of the Reich that annoyed me the more.

Not wishing to be facetious, honestly, and pardon my higgorance, but you mean there's more of it?

I watched some of the concert on catch-up last night, remote in hand. When I thought things had gone on long enough, I fast-forwarded.

[Alison]

'nough said. BBC Young Musicians encourages participants to essay concerti before they have sufficient maturity , then when they are ready, Nanny feeds the on nursery bins,and bobs. Madness!

Very astute point!

[jonfan]

Personally, it was the missing minutes of the Reich that annoyed me the more. But you do not see why people might be justified to object to such "highlights"?

Not really because it was a concert of highlights. It's what it said was in the tin.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Not really because it was a concert of highlights. It's what it said was in the tin.

Precisely - the "young Musicians" involved were presented as incapable of performing anything substantial at the "World's Greatest Music Festival". Just as with the TV presentation of the competition itself, they were treated as the less worthy of attention than the announcers, and not really very good. A very rusty tin.