Bernstein

[Petrushka]

Yes I wondered that - I have the impression of seeing it or something similar before. They never put "R" for Repeat on the BBC4 site as most programmes there are aired several times, but they used to (or sometimes) put previous broadcast dates in the panel that says "On TV" - nothing in this instance, so I wondered if this was a new package (by definition, given the title, the various clips will have been on the BBC before). Then again, I should have learned by now not to treat the BBC website as definitive...

You remember clearly that this very programme has previously been on then, Pet?

Yes, I recorded it but, as usual, can't now find the disc. Radio Times does carry the repeat sign. It was on about a couple of years ago and we discussed it on here. If I find the disc I'll have the date.

[Beef Oven!]

Oh, FGS............................

[Nick Armstrong]

Yes, I recorded it but, as usual, can't now find the disc. Radio Times does carry the repeat sign. It was on about a couple of years ago and we discussed it on here. If I find the disc I'll have the date.

I think I've found it (using the slightly unfriendly search facility here). I think this thread must be about the first transmission, on 16 October 2015: http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...e-on-now/page2

[jayne lee wilson]

Well... fascinating thread...... as I rarely switch R3, TV or BBCTV on before evening (except for Grand Prix, football, Sky News, or News24) I've not been subject to this supposed Bernstein-saturation.... I'm just grateful for the centenary having led me to love music I never knew very well before (see, above etc...).

So I'll record the BBC4 stuff tonight (which I never yet saw..), and enjoy them over a late supper...

To all those who have been upset by trailer-publicity (for what is a great musical moment - this centenary - by any standards) then, if you don't yet know it or not well, please do give your best attention to Monday night's Prom performance of Age of Anxiety - by performers who made one of its best recordings...(Thibaudet/Alsop)...

So maybe - just switch off sometimes? Or if you like the radio on for company, switch channels - and never forget, it's the music and the music-making, that count. Leonard Bernstein created many wonderful things; so ignore the hype and go and listen to some of them...

[Nick Armstrong]

I've not been subject to this supposed Bernstein-saturation....
...
So maybe - just switch off sometimes?

Nor have I - and that's my strategy too: I rarely listen live now, and use the technology to start listening when the music starts, and pounce on the off switch as applause dies away to avoid gushing intros/outros, repetitive trailers etc.

[Lat-Literal]

I don't want to give the wrong impression. Just because I agree that there has been saturation coverage, I am not of the view that this is inappropriate. Bernstein as a man will bring forth the usual pluses and minuses. Bernstein as a figure is immense. He was a charismatic giant who was one of the greatest teachers of young people among so many other things. Few were ever more charismatic than Lenny. I like him a lot. I happen to think that Beecham was also a giant and that any issues there should not get in the way. He was as he was.

Fairfield Hall, Croydon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Wy4r2m5yo

(The Council has one route out from total disdain imho - improve the acoustics in the new joint and all may be forgiven; bugger it up and confirm every prejudice : "over to yoo-hoo")

[LMcD]

I think I've found it (using the slightly unfriendly search facility here). I think this thread must be about the first transmission, on 16 October 2015: http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...e-on-now/page2

If you visit 'BBC4 schedule today', go to the Bernstein programme then click on 'Show More' and scroll right down, you'll see the original transmission date (16th October 2015)

[Lat-Literal]

Without wishing to overdo it, sometimes when you go away as I will tomorrow, it doesn't feel like a new place or a new time but rather temporarily a different life. The thing with Bernstein - when he died it signified an aspect of a different life that would not be for the better without him. Permanently. I'd say he was one of the key aspects of the sixties that went to the moon as a starting point. And hold that idea there. Just hold it. That one can go to Mars now. Sail around the Sun. It's great. It's also soulless. No. It was all then about the anticipation. It needed people to open it. Ability. Imagination. And however much further you go, you don't go - and you can't go further. The figures on that precipice took us beyond.

And if you were to choose to design it, I mean visually apart from anything else, well, he absolutely looked the part.

[doversoul1]

Well... fascinating thread...... as I rarely switch R3, TV or BBCTV on before evening (except for Grand Prix, football, Sky News, or News24) I've not been subject to this supposed Bernstein-saturation.... I'm just grateful for the centenary having led me to love music I never knew very well before (see, above etc...).

So I'll record the BBC4 stuff tonight (which I never yet saw..), and enjoy them over a late supper...

To all those who have been upset by trailer-publicity (for what is a great musical moment - this centenary - by any standards) then, if you don't yet know it or not well, please do give your best attention to Monday night's Prom performance of Age of Anxiety - by performers who made one of its best recordings...(Thibaudet/Alsop)...

So maybe - just switch off sometimes? Or if you like the radio on for company, switch channels - and never forget, it's the music and the music-making, that count. Leonard Bernstein created many wonderful things; so ignore the hype and go and listen to some of them...

You are missing the point completely. The objections are nothing to do with Bernstein’s music or his performance but the way in which Radio3 is saturating the schedule with the trailers (this has already been pointed out up-thread). Therefore you don't need to lecture them/us about his music or how to listen to it etc.. And as for ‘if you don’t like it, switch off’, think about the difference between a programme and trailers.

[jayne lee wilson]

You are missing the point completely. The objections are nothing to do with Bernstein’s music or his performance but the way in which Radio3 is saturating the schedule with the trailers (this has already been pointed out up-thread). Therefore you don't need to lecture them/us about his music or how to listen to it etc.. And as for ‘if you don’t like it, switch off’, think about the difference between a programme and trailers.

God.
Lecture?
Lecture?

I try to spread a little musical happiness, and get chased away with a third-programme sniff and a frown...Sorry I spoke....

No wonder we ended up with tweets and phone-ins.

[teamsaint]

I think the problem here is the difference between
“ Look, its Bernsteins’s centenary”...and “ Look, its US doing Bernstein’s Centenary”.

The can be very few R3 listeners who are unaware of the significance, so definitely a “ less is more” moment.

R3 presentation can indeed be very irksome ,and the trails for all things LB have been OTT, but the way R3 does these things is the modern BBC way, and I dont expect it to change for the better any time soon.

Best to let it go, and make the best of the alternatives available, as well as the better aspects of coverage of the music, if at all possible.

[LMcD]

I think the problem here is the difference between
“ Look, its Bernsteins’s centenary”...and “ Look, its US doing Bernstein’s Centenary”.

The can be very few R3 listeners who are unaware of the significance, so definitely a “ less is more” moment.

R3 presentation can indeed be very irksome ,and the trails for all things LB have been OTT, but the way R3 does these things is the modern BBC way, and I dont expect it to change for the better any time soon.

Best to let it go, and make the best of the alternatives available, as well as the better aspects of coverage of the music, if at all possible.

When (yet) another Bernstein trailer appears, I mentally switch off until it's finished. And - unlike, for example, Brexit and Syria and global warming, it will soon all be over! MY main gripe as regards BBC promotions is the onset of 'Strictly' mania. Every little titbit of information about this programme seems to be treated as a major news item rather than being confined to the Arts and Entertainments section of BBC News where it rightly belongs.

[DracoM]

The objections are nothing to do with Bernstein’s music or his performance but the way in which Radio3 is saturating the schedule with the trailers (this has already been pointed out up-thread)..............think about the difference between a programme and trailers.

Smack on target.

[gurnemanz]

Came here during interval of On the Town .. to find a discussion about trailers. I am much more interested in Jayne's positive enthusiasm for LB than carping comments about trailers which are about as boring and unnecessary as the trailers themselves.

[doversoul1]

Came here during interval of On the Town .. to find a discussion about trailers. I am much more interested in Jayne's positive enthusiasm for LB than carping comments about trailers which are about as boring and unnecessary as the trailers themselves.

It is actuary terribly boring having to complain about these trailers but if no one complains then what? If you don't mind the trailers, that's one thing but comparing the complaints with someone’s enthusiasm about the subject of the trailer is again, missing the point and irrelevant (I am sorry to be rude but I am not in the best mood having to hear the **** trailer every time I go to iPlayer).