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  • LMcD
    Full Member
    • Sep 2017
    • 8854

    #16
    It seems that Bernstein's Enigma Variations is timed at 39 minutes and 7 seconds. If my maths is correct, the version on my Naxos CD with George Hurst and the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra takes 28 minutes and 59 seconds. Much of the furore at the time apparently centred on 'Nimrod'.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 20578

      #17
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      Televisual bleeding chunks will be all we'll get. A fiver says it's Nimrod

      from the Enigma...
      Naah! That would be deemed by Radio 3 to exceed the audience's attention span. If it's longer than a 78 side length, forget it.

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      • jayne lee wilson
        Banned
        • Jul 2011
        • 10711

        #18
        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        Televisual bleeding chunks will be all we'll get. A fiver says it's Nimrod from the Enigma...
        Eh? But it's a TV documentary an hour long.... rehearsals, interviews, music and film clips... what's the problem?
        You follow up with streams or purchases...there are some marvellous new releases as I've said above, and Baiba Skride's Serenade (much praised by DG in Collection, along with Hahn and Ferschtman) is due soon...

        But if you actually buy just one then - forget the value-for-money this time (oh, I agonised, don't worry) and grab the Zimerman/Berlin Phil/Rattle Age of Anxiety...a one-in-a-million instant classic of the Gramophone (And you know it is, at the very first piano entry.....)

        You know the Lutosławski Piano Concerto from the same source, right? Course you do....
        well,
        it's even ​better than that...

        (Snazzy artwork too )
        Listen to unlimited or download Bernstein : Symphony No. 2 "The Age of Anxiety" by Krystian Zimerman in Hi-Res quality on Qobuz. Subscription from £10.83/month.
        Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 25-08-18, 00:17.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26601

          #19
          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
          Eh? But it's a TV documentary an hour long.... rehearsals, interviews, music and film clips... what's the problem?
          I quite agree! Was simply responding to a previous email about the playlist for the programme!
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • Petrushka
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12389

            #20
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            I quite agree! Was simply responding to a previous email about the playlist for the programme!
            Ii's also been shown before and is actually a very good programme.

            JLW, the Zimerman/Rattle Age Of AnXiety has been on my radar for a while so looking forward to the purchase.
            "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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            • BBMmk2
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 20908

              #21
              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              Eh? But it's a TV documentary an hour long.... rehearsals, interviews, music and film clips... what's the problem?
              You follow up with streams or purchases...there are some marvellous new releases as I've said above, and Baiba Skride's Serenade (much praised by DG in Collection, along with Hahn and Ferschtman) is due soon...

              But if you actually buy just one then - forget the value-for-money this time (oh, I agonised, don't worry) and grab the Zimerman/Berlin Phil/Rattle Age of Anxiety...a one-in-a-million instant classic of the Gramophone (And you know it is, at the very first piano entry.....)

              You know the Lutosławski Piano Concerto from the same source, right? Course you do....
              well,
              it's even ​better than that...

              (Snazzy artwork too )
              https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/be...jx9lnqacb#item
              I have that very cd, the Lutoslawski! Yes!
              Don’t cry for me
              I go where music was born

              J S Bach 1685-1750

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              • Bax-of-Delights
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 745

                #22
                I had R3 on from approx 8.30 to 10 this morning. I wasn’t counting but by my rough reckoning I have heard the name “Bernstein” some 200+ times and exactly the same trail 3 times
                Even Mrs Bax who, one might say, doesn’t have such a delicately tuned year to the vagaries of R3 has just shouted out “Enough already!”

                Click. Off.
                O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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                • Boilk
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 976

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                  I had R3 on from approx 8.30 to 10 this morning. I wasn’t counting but by my rough reckoning I have heard the name “Bernstein” some 200+ times and exactly the same trail 3 times
                  Even Mrs Bax who, one might say, doesn’t have such a delicately tuned year to the vagaries of R3 has just shouted out “Enough already!”

                  Click. Off.
                  There is definitely a Bernstein overkill going on. If I was given a pound for every Bernstein trailer I've recently witnessed on Radio 3, BBC2 and BBC4, I could almost take early retirement. I don't recall there being any comparable mania for the centenaries of Copland ... or even Mahler! I appreciate there is an airwaves and TV ratings war going on but the 'important' BBC people who sit around tables brainstorming and deciding how to fight it and how far to milk a campaign to death have a lot to answer for this time.

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                  • DracoM
                    Host
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 13005

                    #24
                    But if you help to kill a composer by this kind of gratuitous carpet bombing, all you are likely to achieve is switch-off weariness and opprobrium, and NOT an everlasting desire to pursue that composer. It's R3 et al who suffer more than the figure being deified.

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                    • Beef Oven!
                      Ex-member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      #25
                      This criticism of Bernstein is just the sort of antisemitism that is prevelant in contemporary Britain. That and all the cultural appropriation of meat seasoning recipes makes me want to leave this sceptic isle.

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26601

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                        Ii's also been shown before and is actually a very good programme.
                        Yes I wondered that - I have the impression of seeing it or something similar before. They never put "R" for Repeat on the BBC4 site as most programmes there are aired several times, but they used to (or sometimes) put previous broadcast dates in the panel that says "On TV" - nothing in this instance, so I wondered if this was a new package (by definition, given the title, the various clips will have been on the BBC before). Then again, I should have learned by now not to treat the BBC website as definitive...

                        You remember clearly that this very programme has previously been on then, Pet?
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 13005

                          #27
                          Anti-semitism????????????????
                          It's NOT Bernstein we're talking about, but the carpet-bombing RADIO THREE / BBC coverage / promotion of him!

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #28
                            Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                            Anti-semitism????????????????
                            It's NOT Bernstein we're talking about, but the carpet-bombing RADIO THREE / BBC coverage / promotion of him!
                            Good heavens, do you not understand English irony?

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                            • Beef Oven!
                              Ex-member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 18147

                              #29
                              Originally posted by DracoM View Post
                              Anti-semitism????????????????
                              It's NOT Bernstein we're talking about, but the carpet-bombing RADIO THREE / BBC coverage / promotion of him!
                              Yeah, ‘it’s not Iews we’re criticising, it’s Israel’ - I’ve heard it all before.

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 13005

                                #30
                                Oh, FGS............................

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