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  • DracoM
    Host
    • Mar 2007
    • 13005

    Bernstein

    Blimey! If I hear the name Bernstein AGAIN.....................
    This is way, way, way OTT. Non-stop trails, programmes, John Wilson..............

    Yes, I KNOW he had talent, charisma, influence and a huge fan base etc etc, but.................
    Last edited by DracoM; 24-08-18, 11:47.
  • Barbirollians
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11875

    #2
    Do you feel the same about the name Debussy ?

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37993

      #3
      Anyone would think God had been born 100 years ago...

      Debussy didn't believe in God.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20578

        #4
        Once the Beeb gets the bit between its teeth, nothing will stop it.

        Playschool was a huge BBC success. Unfortunately, everything has become Playschool.

        Oooooooooo!

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        • Bumfluff
          Full Member
          • Nov 2011
          • 30

          #5
          I want to apologise for this post in advance. I am very intimidated by the standard of posting here, so my contributions will be worthless in compaerion. However I am a regular reader, and an obsessive listener, so I want to write things when I confident and intoxicated enough to do so.

          I don't get Bernstein as a conductor. He seems to distort every musical work he conducts, so it kind of becomes a sort of transatlantic stretched out mush. This is annoying to me, since I adore Bernstein the man so much. He stood for so many things that I love and value, rock music as much as neglected composers like Mahler. I don't know if he was asshole in real life or anything though. But I find it weird that I like the guy so much, I love his stage presence, his look as well, but I can't deal with very much of his muisc making. I don't even like his own composition, really, Chichester Psalms to West Side Story.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37993

            #6
            Originally posted by Bumfluff View Post
            I want to apologise for this post in advance. I am very intimidated by the standard of posting here, so my contributions will be worthless in compaerion. However I am a regular reader, and an obsessive listener, so I want to write things when I confident and intoxicated enough to do so.

            I don't get Bernstein as a conductor. He seems to distort every musical work he conducts, so it kind of becomes a sort of transatlantic stretched out mush. This is annoying to me, since I adore Bernstein the man so much. He stood for so many things that I love and value, rock music as much as neglected composers like Mahler. I don't know if he was asshole in real life or anything though. But I find it weird that I like the guy so much, I love his stage presence, his look as well, but I can't deal with very much of his muisc making. I don't even like his own composition, really, Chichester Psalms to West Side Story.
            At least you have a sense of humour - I presume!

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              #7
              One of the most wonderful aspects of this year's Proms is inspiring me to actually listen to Bernstein's own orchestral music after so many years... result is that I now adore the Symphonies 1 & (especially) 2 - the latter has one of the most heartbreakingly beautiful beginnings of any 20thC Piano Concerto....do listen to it in Prom 60, and the Serenade in Prom 69, which I've just begun listening to but already feel very fond of... although immediately attractive, I've found that they do take some getting-to-know!

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              • DracoM
                Host
                • Mar 2007
                • 13005

                #8
                But, JLW, I get the enthusiasm, but...but....we've had talks, concerts, recitals, endless, and I do mean ENDLESS trails one after the other.
                As said upthread, when the Beeb decides to 'do' a significant birthday, they usually manage to suffocate, strangle it. Would you like chocolate or chocolate, or how about a bit of chocolate?

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26601

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                  Does Bernstein still hold the record for the slowest-ever 'Enigma Variations'?
                  You'll be able to review his way with it tomorrow evening on BBC4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j7wjh
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • Lat-Literal
                    Guest
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 6983

                    #10
                    "Counterpoint" is including questions on Bernstein throughout the current series.

                    Just to make sure.

                    I wasn't overly impressed by one unexpected answer - "Is it the Chichester Palms?"

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                    • LMcD
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8853

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                      You'll be able to review his way with it tomorrow evening on BBC4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j7wjh
                      Many thanks - duly noted!

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        You'll be able to review his way with it tomorrow evening on BBC4: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j7wjh
                        The playlist looks a tad full for a programme scheduled to last but 1 hour (including trails for other programmes, both before and after).

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                        • Nick Armstrong
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26601

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          The playlist looks a tad full for a programme scheduled to last but 1 hour (including trails for other programmes, both before and after).
                          Televisual bleeding chunks will be all we'll get. A fiver says it's Nimrod from the Enigma...
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            #14
                            I must admit, R3 is doing an overkill..

                            I think I might promote my dad. Who was born in the same year as Lenny. He was a psychiatrist. His birthday is in December.
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              #15
                              Whilst I sympathise with those who feel there's just too much Bernstein at the moment, don't let it put you off his actual music...

                              Last night/early this morning (I'm never quite sure of the difference these days) I discovered (on Qobuz HiFi) the new release of the Symphony No.2 with Zimerman/Berlin Phil/Rattle... oh, it's poor value as a CD/download purchase yes, but the performance! Utterly wonderful, the subtlest and most beautiful I've heard yet, even alongside the more "operatic" Rana/Pappano.

                              I'd just heard the 1950 Foss/Bernstein (and still thought I'd never love anything more than the later Entremont/Bernstein)... I was about to return to bed, but scanning Qobuz Discover blear-eyed, I stumbled upon this new one, and the cat-on-me rule persuaded me to go one further. Thanks, Mizzy!
                              Anyone who loves Bernstein or the Symphonies in particular, needs to hear this any which way!

                              Oh and, check out Gramophone 8/18, for David Gutman's excellent ​Collection survey on the gorgeous Serenade...you see, I'd heard these works before, but never realised till now, just how wonderful they are...
                              Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 24-08-18, 15:54.

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