Proms go 50/50

[subcontrabass]

Guardian editorial: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-and-equality

[Anastasius]

I am 100% against any form of positive discrimination. Selection should be on merit regardless of gender, sexual proclivity, ability/disability etc.

[Richard Barrett]

I am 100% against any form of positive discrimination. Selection should be on merit regardless of gender, sexual proclivity, ability/disability etc.

That would make you a heterosexual non-disabled male, am I right?

[Serial_Apologist]

That would make you a heterosexual non-disabled male, am I right?

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One presumes Anastasius must by deduction be in favour of negative discriminatrion.

[MrGongGong]

I am 100% against any form of positive discrimination. Selection should be on merit regardless of gender, sexual proclivity, ability/disability etc.

Said the man in a position of power

[Anastasius]

1...I am not in any position of power. Other than over my own destiny insofar as I can.
2...I am not in favour of negative discrimination and to suggest that I am is offensive.
3...I am disabled and bisexual

So you can take your collective smugness and virtue signalling and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

[Richard Barrett]

shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Now that isn't very nice, is it? Please excuse my mistaken assumption. The thing is that the way things are at the moment, the status quo is one of negative discrimination, and the ideal situation you mention is only going to come about through positive discrimination which, like many things that come under the heading of "political correctness", is by no means ideal but it's a hell of an improvement on what came before it. At the present moment there is no "middle ground" - either you're in favour of positive discrimination or by default you're in favour of negative discrimination. But this point has been made ad nauseam in this thread.

[DracoM]

Will the Berlin Philharmonic be disqualified?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-gender-pledge

Not to mention the VPO - the next time they venture west..............??

[jean]

It was established in post #2 that this was not about orchestras. Please do not drift.

[teamsaint]

It will be interesting to see how these pledges work out.

The must be a chance that those with external ( Arts Council and other ) funding, EG Kendall Calling (?), will be in a stronger position than purely commercial organisations to implement the changes.

A festival like Green Man probably doesn't have much financial leeway, and needs to sell as many tickets as possible. There probably aren't enough female headline level acts, of the kind that their audience will pay for, to go round all the festivals, so if Green Man decided it wanted to commit to 50/50, they might inevitably be in the position of filling the earlier support slots with female artists to make the quota, because people tend to pay big festival ticket prices for the headliners.

[Richard Barrett]

A festival like Green Man probably doesn't have much financial leeway, and needs to sell as many tickets as possible.

As it happens I was there for a day last year, and had the impression that the male/female ratio among performers was somewhat better than I've usually encountered at classical or contemporary music festivals.

[teamsaint]

As it happens I was there for a day last year, and had the impression that the male/female ratio among performers was somewhat better than I've usually encountered at classical or contemporary music festivals.

Interesting about impressions.
I go to Wickham every year, ( more Folk orientated than Green Man ?) and had the impression that there was a much higher proportion of female acts that actually turned out to be the case when I did a count. Nowhere near 50/50.

Which is not necessarily to say that female acts at particular levels of popularity aren't getting a fair opportunity, but probably does say something about the perceptions of , well, people like me.

[MrGongGong]

This has stirred a few things up in other places

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/composers-should-be-incensed-their-music-is-taking-a-back-seat-to-their-race-or-gender/

[Anastasius]

This has stirred a few things up in other places


https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/0...ace-or-gender/

A very good article. Hit the nail on the head. Fed up with all the virtue-signalling going on all over the place.

[MrGongGong]

A very good article. Hit the nail on the head. Fed up with all the virtue-signalling going on all over the place.

It's bullshit i'm afraid, and more than a little ignorant as has been pointed out in other places where this has appeared
but I guess it will appeal to some



"A good start would be overhauling music education in schools, throwing out the ukuleles and exposing all children to the glories of classical music."

I don't see him doing ANYTHING in music education apart from teaching the piano.