Proms 2018

[cloughie]

Hurrah for Manfred Honeck, Marin Alsop and Gianandrea Noseda.

Because?

[vinteuil]

Because?

... because Bryn's #628 supra.
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[jean]

You would need to address such a question to those concerned. I am unable to read their minds.

Then why appear so convinced that you really do know?

To make the case that your raising the issue of a lack of such indication by composers was irrelevant.

But you mentioned these these composer-prescribed pauses first.

Given that you go on to confirm that composers hardly ever indicate applause however long the pause they allow, I suggest it's your mentioning them in this context that's irrelevant.

[cloughie]

... because Bryn's #628 supra.
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Fine, if it makes them feel good, and their audiences?

[Bryn]

Then why appear so convinced that you really do know?

But you mentioned these these composer-prescribed pauses first.

Given that you confirm tha compsers hardly ever indicate applause however long the pause they allow, I sufggest it's your mentiong them in this context that's irrelevant.

I suggest you respond in context, rather than to matters I raised in different posts to those this sequence relates to. You might also try checking out Stockhausen's Momente. The applause there is fully scored. It is part of the work. You raised the question of compsers not indicating a role for applause between movenmts. My point was that neither did they make any such indication re. the end of a work. Re. the pauses called for by Mahler in his second and third symphonies, given the period in whith they were first performed, and the nature of the ending of the movements concerned, do you really intend to contend that no applause was anticipated? The Messiaen case is quite different. Given the circumstances of its commision, quiet contemplation during the prescribed minute breaks would seem more apposite to me. However, the breaks he calls for in the score are rarely observed.

An interesting obverse of the coin was the Boult directed performance of Havergal Brian's Gothic Symphony. Part 2 is scored to follow Part 1 attacca. Indeed, the finale chord of Part 1 serves also as the opening chord of Part 2. However, Boult introduced at that point, not merely a pause but an interval during which to adjourn to the bar. No surprise then that the closing bar of Part 1 was enthusiastically applauded.

[jean]

I suggest you respond in context, rather than to matters I raised in different posts to those this sequence relates to.

I have responded it context.

But if you keep changing the significance of what you've just said, I can't see the point in responding at all.

[LMcD]

I have responded it context.

But if you keep changing the significance of what you've just said, I can't see the point in responding at all.

Last sentence of #589 (Please!)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Last sentence of #589 (Please!)

I presumed that they must be "really enjoying themselves this way".

[teamsaint]

Martin Handley on Breakfast thoroughly on message re applause.

Responses to the Guardian article.

https://www.theguardian.com/tone/letters

[antongould]

Martin Handley on Breakfast thoroughly on message re applause.

Responses to the Guardian article.

https://www.theguardian.com/tone/letters

Indeed ts and very forceful too also not really happy with people sitting very still in the Hall ......

[LMcD]

Radio 3 trailer just before JRR for tonight's Prom:
'So expect Beethoven with added punk proclivities'
No thanks - I think Beethoven essentially said what needed to be said while leaving conductors enough scope for non-sensationalist promotion of their individual approach.
('Ripping up the rule book' ...you rip if you want to. )

[french frank]

'So expect Beethoven with added punk proclivities'

Punk very much approved of by today's Radio 3. And I daresay those who don't approve will say they do!

Indeed ts and very forceful too also not really happy with people sitting very still in the Hall ......

Another reason for not allowing the opinion of people who have a public platform to convey their personal opinions to the world to weigh against, say, two people who don't have such a platform. One person, one vote.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Radio 3 trailer just before JRR for tonight's Prom:
'So expect Beethoven with added punk proclivities'
No thanks - I think Beethoven essentially said what needed to be said while leaving conductors enough scope for non-sensationalist promotion of their individual approach.
('Ripping up the rule book' ...you rip if you want to. )

Well, we can't really help it if the BBC is now effectively(?) run by sensationalist imbeciles.

[Bryn]

A shame we are not getting Beethoven's Punk-Rock 8th Symphony tonight.

I'll wait to hear the 2nd and 5th before making further comment.

[oddoneout]

fundamental purpose of music should not be forgotten – to entertain.

This was the quote this morning from a Guardian letter to which I took exception , as I think it is just plain wrong in its generalisation. Possibly it reflects the kind of music the writer favours, but as a view it does seem to display a lack of awareness of the different kinds of music and the purposes for which it is written and to which it is put.
I was puzzled by the implied criticism of those who sit still while listening; it can be an indication of intense concentration, but another consideration is that when sitting close to others isn't it simply good manners not to fidget(as it might be interpreted)? There are occasions when movement as a response to music is reasonable and desirable(and what happens in one's own home when listening to music is nobody else's business...), but not necessarily for the standard 'classical' concert?