Proms 2018

[doversoul1]

Does it not occur to you that she might actually know what she is talking about ?

As far as this article is concerned, it occur to me that she actually had no idea what she was talking about but simply following likes of Suzy Klein’s Old thing baaaad, New thing gooood argument. It sounds open minded, politically correct and it gets published. I assume she doesn’t mind in the least if people clap and whoop in the middle of a movement or walk out during her performance if they feel like it. You can do what you like at classical music concerts. Just come and enjoy yourself.

[doversoul1]

What is interesting, is that what ever way you cut it, there is an issue here that isn't going to go away in the foreseeable.

No, it isn’t going away. It’s just one of those things. We, audience and performers alike, all know that. So why did she publish this article just as the Proms started? A good piece of publicity but for what (or whom)?

What is annoying about this article is that Chi-Chi Nwanoku talks about applause between movements as if it were the major issue in the matter of young people’s lack of interest in classical music. Does she seriously believe that if young people were told today that they could clap whenever they like, they would be queuing up to classical music concerts up and down the country tomorrow? Talk about it by all means but don’t use it for blaming traditionalists or whatever they/we are called, as if young people’s lack of interest in classical music were all their/our fault.

[Beef Oven!]

No, it isn’t going away. It’s just one of those things. We, audience and performers alike, all know that. So why did she publish this article just as the Proms started? A good piece of publicity but for what (or whom)?

What is annoying about this article is that Chi-Chi Nwanoku talks about applause between movements as if it were the major issue in the matter of young people’s lack of interest in classical music. Does she seriously believe that if young people were told today that they could clap whenever they like, they would be queuing up to classical music concerts up and down the country tomorrow? Talk about it by all means but don’t use it for blaming the traditionalists or whatever they/we are called, as if young people’s lack of interest in classical music were all their/our fault.

I think you are spot-on. Clapping has got nothing to do with widening audiences and bringing younger people into the fold.

The only connection is that classical events are a bit stuffy, off putting and snooty people (many who were born aged 62) have the hegemony.

[Beef Oven!]

PS I’ve just read Jayne’s response to you which I agree with almost totally.

How jolly decent of you to put your hand in the air and say you're both wrong

[cloughie]

How jolly decent of you to put your hand in the air and say you're both wrong

Maybe we’re not as wrong as you think!

[doversoul1]

The only connection is that classical events are a bit stuffy, off putting and snooty people (many who were born aged 62) have the hegemony.

Did that sort of place/concert put you off when you were 15 or 21 (or anywhere in between or before and after)?

[Beef Oven!]

Did that sort of place/concert put you off when you were 15 or 21 (or anywhere in between or before and after)?

Yes, it was an obstacle. But I felt very comfortable at non-Classical concerts. I don't think that the traditionalists realise how off-putting and antiquated their attitude and behaviour is .......

[ahinton]

I think you are spot-on. Clapping has got nothing to do with widening audiences and bringing younger people into the fold.

The only connection is that classical events are a bit stuffy, off putting and snooty people (many who were born aged 62) have the hegemony.

You didn't clap between movements when you attended that wonderful Sorabji performance in Oxford by Jonathan Powell a few years ago; might you care to account for why? It wasn't (as far as I can recall) that you were unimpressed and, at the time, I don't remember you being of anything like that age...

[Beef Oven!]

You didn't clap between movements when you attended that wonderful Sorabji performance in Oxford by Jonathan Powell a few years ago; might you care to account for why? It wasn't (as far as I can recall) that you were unimpressed and, at the time, I don't remember you being of anything like that age...

I could just about take a pee in the breaks, never mind have time to clap.

If only Chingford boy Leon Dudley (Sorabji's real name) had written shorter movements, we might be able to show our appreciation and gratitude instead of having to Usain Bolt it to the khazi.

And for the record, it's pretty clear that Leon would have been in favour of inter-movement applause (and Brexit).

[Bryn]

I could just about take a pee in the breaks, never mind have time to clap.

If only Chingford boy Leon Dudley (Sorabji's real name) had written shorter movements, we might be able to show our appreciation and gratitude instead of having to Usain Bolt it to the khazi.

And for the record, it's pretty clear that Leon would have been in favour of inter-movement applause (and Brexit).

What do you mean by "real name". All names are given by some tradition or other. They are all artificial. The name "Leon Dudley" may have been that recorded on his birth certificate but that does not make it any more "real" than that he later chose from himself, based on his lineage.

[Beef Oven!]

The name "Leon Dudley" may have been that recorded on his birth certificate but that does not make it any more "real" than that he later chose from himself, based on his lineage.

I think it does. A bit.

[LMcD]

Let's have 2 performances of each programme, one for those who like to applaud between movements and one for those who don't. The former might have to pay a bit more, as their concerts will last that much longer. Their concerts could start earlier in order that they can catch the last bus or train home.
Simples!

[Beef Oven!]

Let's have 2 performances of each programme, one for those who like to applaud between movements and one for those who don't. The former might have to pay a bit more, as their concerts will last that much longer. Their concerts could start earlier in order that they can catch the last bus or train home.
Simples!

You took the words right out of my mouth .....!

[Bryn]

Let's have 2 performances of each programme, one for those who like to applaud between movements and one for those who don't. The former might have to pay a bit more, as their concerts will last that much longer. Their concerts could start earlier in order that they can catch the last bus or train home.
Simples!

No need for the clappers' performances to take longer. What about all that faffing about re-tuning of instruments and the emphysemics sorting out their respiratory systems?

[ahinton]

I could just about take a pee in the breaks, never mind have time to clap.

If only Chingford boy Leon Dudley (Sorabji's real name) had written shorter movements, we might be able to show our appreciation and gratitude instead of having to Usain Bolt it to the khazi.

And for the record, it's pretty clear that Leon would have been in favour of inter-movement applause (and Brexit).

The said Chingford born half-Zoroastrian Parsi half-English "boy" did not possess the "real name" that you ascribe to him and, as you ought to have noticed at the performance concerned, he wrote symphonic movements of all shapes and sizes, not just long ones!