Proms 2018

[french frank]

I would have thought that if one is a sufficiently sophisticated listener to comprehend the unity of a symphony across its different movements, one is also a sufficiently sophisticated listener for a few extraneous noises not to impinge on that comprehension. I'm not advocating applause between movements, I'm saying that making a big deal out of it is what strikes me as "unnecessary". Every day in every kind of situation people do things that annoy me, or that would do if I let them!

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

[MrGongGong]

Attack the argument, not the person.

You didn't really have an "argument" though
just a statement

Because it's annoying and unnecessary.

Many wonderful things are "annoying"
and artichokes aren't "necessary" but I wouldn't want to live in a world without them

So raise a glass to the glory of the "unnecessary"
Steinway pianos ?

[Beef Oven!]

Attack the argument, not the person.

He's not attacking you, he's illustrating the fact that you are presenting your opinions as if they are facts.

[Richard Barrett]

Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

I was making a plea for a little more patience and forbearance regarding one's fellow concert-goers.

[ahinton]

I was making a plea for a little more patience and forbearance regarding one's fellow concert-goers.

Fair enough; as I stated earlier, I would never seek to try to tell people what they should do about this but that doesn't make me want to advocate - or even be OK with - applause between movements, especially if those movements are relatively short (such as in Shostakovich's Ninth Symphony).

[french frank]

I was making a plea for a little more patience and forbearance regarding one's fellow concert-goers.

You're asking one side of the debate to be a little more patient and forbearing to give the other side their way? Or you're asking both sides to be patient and forbearing? Or what?

You have two sides with preferences which clash: how do you treat both sides equally?

[Bryn]

You're asking one side of the debate to be a little more patient and forbearing to give the other side their way? Or you're asking both sides to be patient and forbearing? Or what?

You have two sides with preferences which clash: how do you treat both sides equally?

I have never noticed those who applaud between movements moan about those who fail to join in. The former appear to be by far the more tolerant lot.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

He's not attacking you, he's illustrating the fact that you are presenting your opinions as if they are facts.

Moi?

[french frank]

I have never noticed those who applaud between movements moan about those who fail to join in. The former appear to be by far the more tolerant lot.

Ridiculous, Bryn Applauders aren't at all tolerant of the wishes of non applauders!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

So raise a glass to the glory of the "unnecessary"
Steinway pianos ?

Envy is a terrible thing.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Ridiculous, Bryn Applauders aren't at all tolerant of the wishes of non applauders!

I remember how guilty I used to feel when people were smoking in the pub, and I wasn't. I found it so hard to forgive myself.

[jean]

I have never noticed those who applaud between movements moan about those who fail to join in. The former appear to be by far the more tolerant lot.

That’s because ‘tolerating’ the absence of something you’d quite like to be there is a good deal easier than tolerating the the presence of something you find positively unpleasant and disruptive..

[teamsaint]

One of the reasons that people ( like me) are exercised about this issue is specifically the negative comments made about audiences ( paying audiences, us ) by Chi-Chi Nwanoku, and Suzi Klein, not least because people like us help to keep their jobs and organisations going.

The actual business of clapping between movements tends to be restricted to the Proms, everybody expects it to happen from time to time, and gets on quite happily with the business of listening and playing with that already understood.

It is a side issue, or a non issue, blown up out of all proportion for PR and other purposes, IMO.

Why on earth shouldn't people object to the accusations of snootiness and snobbishnes, when there is no real basis to them in any case ?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I have never noticed those who applaud between movements moan about those who fail to join in. The former appear to be by far the more tolerant lot.

[Richard Barrett]

woteva