Proms 2018

[Beef Oven!]

"People use 'traditionalists', pejoratively, for those who prefer no applause ......."

And more widely. As 'conservative' is used mainly pejoratively.

[Bryn]

In Gongers' phrase:

People use 'traditionalists', pejoratively, for those who prefer no applause, just as if it isn't 'traditional' - even automatic (the very opposite of spontaneous) - to clap the hands when the music finishes. There are apparently people who cannot conceive of NOT doing so.

Rather depends on which tradition one is referring to, the modern, now challenged, one of sitting on one's hands until the bitter end, or the earlier one of showing approbation, and maybe calling for an encore or pyrotechnic displays of virtuosity, after some movements.

[PJPJ]

Rather depends on which tradition one is referring to, the modern, now challenged, one of sitting on one's hands until the bitter end, or the earlier one of showing approbation, and maybe calling for an encore or pyrotechnic displays of virtuosity, after some movements.

Or even during a movement...... will this happen in Prom 49?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The question is:

"Do these hyperactive audience members applaud and whoop with delight between movements, when listening to concert works at home on the radio or commercial recordings?"




Hmm. I thought not.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

And more widely. As 'conservative' is used mainly pejoratively.

... or "considerate".

[french frank]

Rather depends on which tradition one is referring to, the modern, now challenged, one of sitting on one's hands until the bitter end, or the earlier one of showing approbation, and maybe calling for an encore or pyrotechnic displays of virtuosity, after some movements.

I don't think that has any bearing on why one group is designated 'traditionalists' and not the other. Were the clappers called 'traditionalists' when the custom became to remain silent between movements? Were they called fuddy-duddies and stick-in-the-muds?

[Bryn]

I don't think that has any bearing on why one group is designated 'traditionalists' and not the other. Were the clappers called 'traditionalists' when the custom became to remain silent between movements? Were they called fuddy-duddies and stick-in-the-muds?

Quite possibly. Why would(n't) they.

[MrGongGong]

The question is:

"Do these hyperactive audience members applaud and whoop with delight between movements, when listening to concert works at home on the radio or commercial recordings?"




Hmm. I thought not.

There's a song about people like you with Psi powers to know these things without any evidence

[Darkbloom]

Sometimes the absence of applause can be jarring too. I was listening to a broadcast of Macbeth recently, and the cheering for Netrebko contrasted notably with her Macbeth, where the silence was deafening after one of his arias. Admittedly, Verdi is a separate case when it comes to a discussion about applause.

[ahinton]

For what it might or might not be worth, I have never experienced applause between movements in a David Matthews symphony; might that be thought convey any particular message on the topic (or have I simply attended the "wrong" performances)?

[french frank]

There's a song about people like you with Psi powers to know these things without any evidence

Asking a question, followed by "I thought not" is a common phrase, not a literal claim to know what is going on everyone's mind.

Do people applaud between movements when they play recordings or listen to the radio at home? Well, I'd risk ridicule by saying most don't. They don't because the applause is offered to the performers, so it's nonsensical to clap them if they can't hear you.

But that does make one wonder where that leaves the 'dampening of enthusiasm' argument.

[Bryn]

. . . Do people applaud between movements when they play recordings or listen to the radio at home?

Offhand, I cannot think of anyone who applauds at the end "when they play recordings or listen to the radio at home?" Best to put that spade away.

[french frank]

Best to put that spade away.

Spade? What spade? You're reinforcing Alpie's 'I thought not'.

[ahinton]

Offhand, I cannot think of anyone who applauds at the end "when they play recordings or listen to the radio at home?" Best to put that spade away.

...or indeed not even to take it out in the first place...

[Beef Oven!]

Offhand, I cannot think of anyone who applauds at the end "when they play recordings or listen to the radio at home?" Best to put that spade away.

I do, often. Classical, rock whatever. So do my mates. Not all the time, but fairly often*. I thought everyone did. Why not?

* especially after a Bruckner symphony and during Deep Purple's 'Made In Japan'