Proms 2018

[Beef Oven!]

Assuming you're not being ironic - I'm thinking of the thin wedge argument posed further down the thread: a clap along to Beethoven 7, anyone? - one reason might be that one would applaud a spontaneously executed solo by virtue of the value jazz fans place on spontaneity, as opposed to appreciating a well-executed passage in say a concerto, which a jazz fan would regard as part of the soloist's brief, not of his or her inspiration... to the same degree as in jazz, at any rate. Maybe if the audience had been told that this particular cadenza was to be improvised by the soloist, as opposed to mugged up from the composer's score instructions, that would be a different matter.

C'mon S_A, in jazz clubs they spontaneously applaud any unspontaneous solo trotted out! You know that can't be the reason

[Serial_Apologist]

C'mon S_A, in jazz clubs they spontaneously applaud any unspontaneous solo trotted out! You know that can't be the reason

I've heard this being argued. But anything we do is spontaneous, including speaking in that clichéd medium, language, unless we mentally block it.

That said, I have witnessed many an uninspired solo being applauded in many a jazz venue. More recently I've been observing audiences applauding the playing of the tune!

[Beef Oven!]

I've heard this being argued. But anything we do is spontaneous, including speaking in that clichéd medium, language, unless we mentally block it.

That said, I have witnessed many an uninspired solo being applauded in many a jazz venue. More recently I've been observing audiences applauding the playing of the tune!

Oh dear!

[Serial_Apologist]

Oh dear!

[LMcD]

Assuming you're not being ironic - I'm thinking of the thin wedge argument posed further down the thread: a clap along to Beethoven 7, anyone? - one reason might be that one would applaud a spontaneously executed solo by virtue of the value jazz fans place on spontaneity, as opposed to appreciating a well-executed passage in say a concerto, which a jazz fan would regard as part of the soloist's brief, not of his or her inspiration... to the same degree as in jazz, at any rate. Maybe if the audience had been told that this particular cadenza was to be improvised by the soloist, as opposed to mugged up from the composer's score instructions, that would be a different matter.

Ironic - moi? I'm afraid I was.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Interesting that it suggests that those who want to attract new audiences, the (unnamed?) head of an orchestra, David Pickard, are all for audiences being allowed to clap. That seems to be a vested interest unrelated to the quiet appreciation of the music.

Whose enjoyment of a concert suffers more - those who prefer there to be no inter-movement applause or those urged not to applaud? One seems to be more about the quiet appreciation of the music, the other is about the sense of entitlement to applaud if one feels like it (or showing appreciation, noisily).

This "problem" only seems to occur at the Proms. For newcomers I suggest:

1. Buy a programme and count the movements.
2. If you're still nervous, don't applaud until after everyone else starts clapping.

[Bryn]

This "problem" only seems to occur at the Proms. For newcomers I suggest:

1. Buy a programme and count the movements.
2. If you're still nervous, don't applaud until after everyone else starts clapping.

You have clearly not been listening to Radio 3 concert broadcasts, from within and without the U.K., through the year. Applause between movements of multi-movement works is by no means confined to the Proms.

[Beef Oven!]

This "problem" only seems to occur at the Proms. For newcomers I suggest:

1. Buy a programme and count the movements.
2. If you're still nervous, don't applaud until after everyone else starts clapping.

It's not a problem. Anyway, the Proms is different from other concerts throughout the year (although I remember applauding in betweeen movements at the Southbank e.g. Sibelius violin concerto) And, with respect, you've only ever been to one Prom concert in your whole life (in the gallery), so you're probably not best placed to give advice.

[cloughie]

You have clearly not been listening to Radio 3 concert broadcasts, from within and without the U.K., through the year. Applause between movements of multi-movement works is by no means confined to the Proms.

It’s probably only a matter of time before they will be included on live recordings!

[LMcD]

You have clearly not been listening to Radio 3 concert broadcasts, from within and without the U.K., through the year. Applause between movements of multi-movement works is by no means confined to the Proms.

It happened at least once in 1967 - see paragraph 2 of my #67 on the 'Prom 1' thread (sorry I lack the expertise to incorporate it into this message - I originally gave serious consideration to posting under the name 'Technoprat' ) The concert in question was not a Prom.

[french frank]

It's not a problem.

Dear old Beefy

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

And, with respect, you've only ever been to one Prom concert in your whole life (in the gallery), so you're probably not best placed to give advice.

I've been in the Arena too. But I do usually book a seat.

[Beef Oven!]

[MickyD]

Applause between movements.

Yes, that old chestnut again, re-igniting a fascinating debate on the messageboards of The Guardian this morning, following what I would call a somewhat provocative article by Chi-Chi Nwanoku:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/20/proms-audience-applaud-classical-music

[PJPJ]

Yes, that old chestnut again, re-igniting a fascinating debate on the messageboards of The Guardian this morning, following what I would call a somewhat provocative article by Chi-Chi Nwanoku:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lassical-music

Of course the audience is going to show its appreciation by applauding after Neptune.... [ I nearly bought my own beer]