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Prom 75 - 9.09.17: Last Night of the Proms
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Originally posted by DracoM View PostOR the v.different outlooks of the two different audiences?
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostI've often wondered about that. Can any LNOTP attender enlighten us?
I don't see that it can be done any other way. The shape of the Hall is such that giving everyone a decent view of a screen is impossible, and we can hardly be left standing there listening to nothing while waiting for the Parks to finish.
Whether we should have these additions to the canonical Sea Songs is a different question. I'd prefer not, but if it's the price we pay to tie the Parks audiences into the performance in the Hall, then maybe.
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Originally posted by Alison View PostCan anyone actually recall a half decent Last Night speech in recent years? I like Mr Oramo but blimey that was boring again."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by Petrushka View PostSir Andrew Davis was always in his element and his Last Night speeches were usually entertaining but I don't suppose that counts as recent nowadays. Despite having done the Last Night on a number of occasions, Sir Colin Davis didn't really like it but one of the very first classical LPs I had was his 1969 LNOP on the Philips label and his speech there is just how it should be done in my view.
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Ed Gardner had a good delivery I thought. Sakari doesn't communicate very well in his speeches. Too many pauses which encourage frequent applause. I think the BBC is more likely to add to someone's speech, rather than take away from it. Marin Alsop just banged on about women conductors in both her speeches, and Sakari continued that theme. On a different note (ho-ho), having been in the hall, the amount of time between pieces due to stage/personnel/instrument changes meant for a very disjointed show. Surely the programme could be better planned...
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Originally posted by Promgoer View PostEd Gardner had a good delivery I thought. Sakari doesn't communicate very well in his speeches. Too many pauses which encourage frequent applause. I think the BBC is more likely to add to someone's speech, rather than take away from it. Marin Alsop just banged on about women conductors in both her speeches, and Sakari continued that theme. On a different note (ho-ho), having been in the hall, the amount of time between pieces due to stage/personnel/instrument changes meant for a very disjointed show. Surely the programme could be better planned...O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!
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Originally posted by Prommer View PostKD looks and behaves (despite periodic efforts to demonstrate how "fun" she is) as if running through a field of wheat - with or without Mrs May - would have been the extent of her naughtiness or daring as a child...[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by makropulos View PostI absolutely love the Kodály Te Deum. The first recording I had of it was on a Westminster LP, conducted by Henry Swoboda (with Sena Jurinac - no less - as the soprano soloist). Ferencsik on Hungaroton is very good, and in decent sound.
The Kodály conducted performance (which I like very much) is also here, reissued by Hungaroton and on a 2-disc set that seems to be available for 12 quid or so. I have had it for a few years and would definitely recommend it to Kodály enthusiasts.
You can hear it here too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx5q...yRg_WASqFUsDkP
Regarding the Last Night of the Proms, I too prefer the old system of the First Half being of a natural Overture, Concerto and maybe Orchestral Suite and leaving the Second Half for the Jollities and diversions, where the audience can take part with enthusiasm (without going "Over the Top" like most recent years).
Being a great fan of Hungarian music, my first half would be something like this:
Kodaly Dances from Galanta
Brahms Any one of his orchestrated Hungarian Dances
Franz Liszt Les Preludes
Kodaly A Summer Night
Kodaly Suite : Hàry Janos
For the second half of the concert, I would cut out all the flag waving, which I think is offensive to many listeners and inappropriate in our present generation and concentrate on such as Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance and, I would suggest, something which would reach all prommers and lovers of peace and good will to all.
That, I am sure, would get rid of all the trouble makers, who think it is funny to spoil others enjoyment.
HSLast edited by Hornspieler; 11-09-17, 11:45.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post... and ... ?
Mine was essentially to convey the idea that she is dull. Enforced jollity rather than genuine warmth and fun and/or authoritative comment. Superficial gush.
Pronounced Tristan as in T&I as if his surname was Farnon.
Silly package about the RAH with her popping in and put of doors grinning like a cheshire cat.
Too much chattering! Arguably holding up the actual concert.
Grr...
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Originally posted by Hornspieler View PostFor the second half of the concert, I would cut out all the flag waving, which I think is offensive to many listeners and inappropriate in our present generation and concentrate on such as Pomp and Circumstance and, I would suggest, something which would reach all prommers and lovers of peace and good will to all.
Not sure flag waving can offend any listeners - some viewers maybe.
Why is waving of flags "inappropriate in our present generation"? Even EU ones? Or just national ones? Or is it that people now cannot wave flags without wishing to commit 'acts of violence in Grosvenor Square'?
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Originally posted by Prommer View PostCutting out the flag waving would be a repressive act, surely?
Not sure flag waving can offend any listeners - some viewers maybe.
Why is waving of flags "inappropriate in our present generation"? Even EU ones? Or just national ones? Or is it that people now cannot wave flags without wishing to commit 'acts of violence in Grosvenor Square'?
How long before it will be Sir and Lady Rattle engaged for the Last Night celebrations? Maybe baby Rattle (aged 3 years old) might have a role too!
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