Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie
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Prom 21 - 30.07.17: Beethoven – Symphony No. 9, ‘Choral’
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostThere's nothing slow about his 3rd movement of the 9th. He takes it at quite a brisk tempo, as was demonstrated in BaL.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostAnd, just to reiterate - Klemperer's "slow" performances are mostly examples of what he did in the last decade of his life in the studio. Live recordings from concerts earlier in his life reveal a very different conductor - the fastest Bruckner #8 I've ever heard in his Cologne recording: the fire of this (complete - unlike the studio amputee) performance!!!
I think most of these studio recordings coincided with the times when he was in the down-swing period of his manic depression. When he was 'up' he got into all sorts of trouble, and the high-energy performances presumably reflect that.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostQuite possibly, though it may well have been Adagio, rather than Adagio Molto.
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Originally posted by Darkbloom View PostI'll have to find that Cologne Bruckner. His Fourth is a favourite of mine.
... which is in very acceptable MONO sound and cheaper than a bag of chips in any chip shops around here. The Eighth is wonderful - Four and Seven have some dodgy moments of intonation (particularly in the Brass in #7 - Karajan hadn't yet replaced some elderly players from the Furtwangler years) but are useful supplements to the Studio versions. (He opined sagely - having played both works exactly once each! It's the eighth that has grabbed my attention.)
I think most of these studio recordings coincided with the times when he was in the down-swing period of his manic depression. When he was 'up' he got into all sorts of trouble, and the high-energy performances presumably reflect that.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Useful table of Klemperer's Bruckner dates/timings here....
His earlier versions were a part of an earlier tradition of swifter, more urgently expressive Bruckner, from such as Knappertsbusch and Schuricht, but even Haitink didn't hang about in his 1960s RCOA 8th at around 73'...
Kna's 1955 live 8th on Orfeo takes 70'14, and very thrilling it is.
Klemp's early 60s Philharmonia Mozart & Schubert Symphonies are perhaps a bit relaxed by modern HIPPs standards but certainly not slow - and they work brilliantly on their own, texturally and rhythmically elucidating terms. Conversely, his 1956 Mozart 25 can seem overdriven, unyielding. New Objectivity, indeed.
Even so late as 1968 he charges though a stunning live VPO Bruckner 5th in 76', yet just two weeks later takes nearly 28' over a Schubert 8th in the same concert series... so the picture's a little more occluded than it might seem!
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Originally posted by Darkbloom View PostI'll have to find that Cologne Bruckner. His Fourth is a favourite of mine.
I think most of these studio recordings coincided with the times when he was in the down-swing period of his manic depression. When he was 'up' he got into all sorts of trouble, and the high-energy performances presumably reflect that.
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostI would caution against trying to correlate a given recording or performance with the day to day status of a performer with mental illness
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Originally posted by richardfinegold View PostI would caution against trying to correlate a given recording or performance with the day to day status of a performer with mental illness
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