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Prom 21 - 30.07.17: Beethoven – Symphony No. 9, ‘Choral’
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
I'm a bit "lost" here, Alain - I'm talking about the section from bar 331 (just before the Tenor's solo) - the Double Basses aren't playing at this point*; only the woodwinds (minus Flutes), Horns and percussion.
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Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View PostI read the words <<the highest woodwind joining the orchestra at the same time as the lowest >> and, being literal, thought that "joining the orchestra" referred to the entire work. My apologies for any confusion. In the orchestral development of the "Ode tune", before the Brt recit., the Cfg is doubling the Double Basses, but I am now doubting my score. I'm not sure that these matter very much: I suspect that long before Mahler conductors would have adjusted the scoring as the need arose. ("sorry Herr Kapellmeister, the Contrabassoon was dropped into the Hase last night, as was the player").
I think that you're precisely correct about performances adjusting scoring to tailor to the requirements & emergencies of the day - to say nothing of Bernstein's Ode to Freedom.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by Prommer View PostAnd capitalism, globalisation, the military-industrial complex...
(All part of the Myth of Political Perfectibility...)
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Originally posted by Prommer View Post"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Music has nothing to do with politics, oh, no....
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
The Ninth was not composed as an ode to the EU. The Ode to Joy is about the brotherhood of man. The EU has chosen to appropriate it.
What has the brotherhood of man as a philosophical concept specifically to do with the EU? Are they co-terminous? Is everyone outside the EU to be excluded?Last edited by Prommer; 01-08-17, 19:14.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostYou first (Well; second, after Alain.)
So: was Bernstein's act one of excavation/authentication, especially poignant in the moment, or pure fiction and opportunism?
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Originally posted by Prommer View PostI have a vague notion that Freiheit was replaced with Freunde? ...
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Originally posted by Prommer View PostI don't subscribe to the notion that one can separate music from politics entirely. But an opera entitled Nixon in China is a giveaway.
The Ninth was not composed as an ode to the EU. The Ode to Joy is about the brotherhood of man. The EU has chosen to appropriate it.
What has the brotherhood of man as a philosophical concept specifically to do with the EU? Are they co-terminous? Is everyone outside the EU to be excluded?
OK, just to spell it out...
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
"The British People have spoken!"
"The people are the heroes now..."
Geddit?
I feel a thesis-title coming on...
"The Brotherhood of Man and The Will of the People: Neo-Marxist Politics in a Post-Capitalist World"
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostOK, just to spell it out...
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
"The British People have spoken!"
"The people are the heroes now..."
Geddit?
I feel a thesis-title coming on...
"The Brotherhood of Man and The Will of the People: Neo-Marxist Politics in a Post-Capitalist World"
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