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Prom 21 - 30.07.17: Beethoven – Symphony No. 9, ‘Choral’
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Originally posted by gurnemanz View PostThe politics which concerned Beethoven were not "petty" and what other sort of politics is there but the human sort? I can't make any sense of "should" in that sentence. By whose judgement? On whose authority? If Beethoven saw his artistic creations as a way of transcending politics or escaping from real life I have been fundamentally misunderstanding him for the last five decades of my life. I'm pretty sure he would find the statement as meaningless, as do I.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostThe piccolo first appears at the "Turkish" Music at bar 343, where it is a solo (giving the theme that is used in the subsequent double fugue)
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Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View PostOh of course not, nothing whatsoever....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthem_of_Europe
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostWhether one likes it or not the adoption of the Ode to Joy as the official anthem of Europe means it has associations with the EU and the fundamental principles underlying the project of peace, freedom and security .
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Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View PostNot in my Eulenberg score. It is labelled "Fl." and is probably not an abbreviation for "Fl.picc" because in the coda it is marked "Picc. Perhaps this is an error in that edition.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View PostNot in my Eulenberg score. It is labelled "Fl." and is probably not an abbreviation for "Fl.picc" because in the coda it is marked "Picc. Perhaps this is an error in that edition.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostProbably a "typo" - it's a Piccolo that plays in every performance I've heard; the highest woodwind joining the orchestra at the same time as the lowest (the Contrabassoon, another player who has a lot of Music to listen to before s/he gets to play).
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Originally posted by Prommer View PostCheerfully!
The link to the collection of codas as played by Furtwangler was interesting. Were his tempi speeding up or slowing down over the years, then? Or was it rather unpredictable and 'in the moment'?
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Originally posted by Alain Maréchal View PostAgain, in Eulenberg, the Cfg appears before the voices
admittedly most of the time it is only reinforcing the double bass line, which I understand was common practice at the time even when not scored.
The notes mention that it is another case of something which does not appear in the MS but in the printed score which LvB had checked. I'm aware that there have been more modern critical editions, but I only consulted mine to check on items mentioned in this thread.
* - EDIT: Aha! The Contarbassoon does double the second Bassoon at this point, so it is indeed performing its usual role of strengthening an colouring the lowest line - as does the Bass Drum, of course.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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