Prom 16 - 26.07.17: Mussorgsky – Pictures at an Exhibition

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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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    • Sep 2011
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    #31
    Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
    I've often been intrigued at the reactionary opinions of some music scholars/critics. It is as if every piece with a decent tune or exciting passage is somehow considered unworthy.

    Just about every work that first caught my curious ear as a youth I've seen well and truly 'dissed' by critics. Rimsky's Scheherazade Suite, Tchaikovsky's Fourth, Ravel's Bolero, Dukas's Sorcerer's Apprentice, you name it I loved it but was then told the music is not worth listening to.

    I still love them all and I think Ravel's Mussorgsky is also a super 'listen'.
    And yet you comment on them so rarely on the Forum, reserving your posts to lightweight trolling.

    I think those experts/critics must simply try a bit harder!
    Ahh - but then you never know what those "expert/critics" think about you.
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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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      #32
      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      I was beginning to think that I was the only one over the age of ten who couldn't produce an orchestration better than Ravel's!
      Don't put yourself down, cloughie - believe me, you've already produced a much better orchestration of the Musorgsky than did Ravel.
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      • cloughie
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        #33
        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        Don't put yourself down, cloughie - believe me, you've already produced a much better orchestration of the Musorgsky than did Ravel.
        I'm waiting for your arrangement of it ferney! I bet it is not a patch on Greg Lake's!

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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          #34
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          I'm waiting for your arrangement of it ferney!
          You'll hear my idea of the perfect "arrangement" of it whenever you hear a good performance of the piano original. Anything else is just filling in with a felt-tip.

          I bet it is not a patch on Greg Lake's!
          Now you're talking! A genuine re-thinking of Musorgsky's material, not just a lazy "let's give that tune to the saxophone" effort. If Ravel is the equivalent of colouring-in a Goya engraving with felt-tips, then ELP is closer to van Goch's re-imaginings of Millet - much more successful than Ravel. (But still, the original is best of all.)
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          • Bryn
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            #35
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            ... Now you're talking! A genuine re-thinking of Musorgsky's material, not just a lazy "let's give that tune to the saxophone" effort. If Ravel is the equivalent of colouring-in a Goya engraving with felt-tips, then ELP is closer to van Goch's re-imaginings of Millet - much more successful than Ravel. (But still, the original is best of all.)
            However, I still prefer the B. Bumble and the Stingers version of Nut Rocker to the ELP.

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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              #36
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Serial_Apologist
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                #37
                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                However, I still prefer the B. Bumble and the Stingers version of Nut Rocker to the ELP.
                If you are coming to L'Klectik tonight, the seats are very hard, be warned!

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                • Bryn
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                  If you are coming to L'Klectik tonight, the seats are very hard, be warned!
                  If I get there earl enough I can grab the comfy chair or a place on the sofa.

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                  • BBMmk2
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #39
                    Essential Classics this morning, had Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, played rather masterfully by Steven Osborne. Very good recording this, c/w Prokovief's Vision Fugitives.
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                    • cloughie
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      You'll hear my idea of the perfect "arrangement" of it whenever you hear a good performance of the piano original. Anything else is just filling in with a felt-tip.

                      Yeller belly.

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                        #41
                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        Yeller belly.
                        That's a very jaundiced view!

                        I have a similarly hued abdomen when it comes to Beethoven's Op110, or Schubert's D959. I did make an arrangement of the last Movement of Webern's Op27 (for the same orchestra as his Op30) as a student exercise - but I was only twenty when I did this, and that's about the right age to be excused for such follies.
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                        • BBMmk2
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                          #42
                          Heard today about the translation of Mussorgsky's Pictures, on radio 3's Essential Classics, whether it should be From an, or at anExhibition. I always think that 'at an'is more accurate?
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

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                          • Bryn
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                            #43
                            You misheard. The "at" version was correctly identified as a common mistranslation. Hence the listing in the EC page as "from".

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                            • jayne lee wilson
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                              • Jul 2011
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                              I've often been intrigued at the reactionary opinions of some music scholars/critics. It is as if every piece with a decent tune or exciting passage is somehow considered unworthy.

                              Just about every work that first caught my curious ear as a youth I've seen well and truly 'dissed' by critics. Rimsky's Scheherazade Suite, Tchaikovsky's Fourth, Ravel's Bolero, Dukas's Sorcerer's Apprentice, you name it I loved it but was then told the music is not worth listening to.

                              I still love them all and I think Ravel's Mussorgsky is also a super 'listen'. I think those experts/critics must simply try a bit harder!
                              Yes...Dvorak & Tchaikovsky Serenades, Prokofiev's Classical Symphony, Bruch's 1st Violin Concerto, Bizet's L'Arlésienne,..... like the Mussorgsky/Ravel, they didn't become popular for nothing did they? Some of these I still enjoy, some not, but why they became-and-remain so popular (and attitudes towards them from various levels of musical knowledge/experience) is an interesting study in itself.

                              Anyway, along with the Tortelier orchestration of his Piano Trio, I think the Pictures are some of the best Ravel we have, in a fairly small orchestral oeuvre.
                              Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 26-07-17, 12:57.

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                              • BBMmk2
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                You misheard. The "at" version was correctly identified as a common mistranslation. Hence the listing in the EC page as "from".
                                Oh yes, I know, but I was just offering my opinion, on how it sounds, to me.
                                Don’t cry for me
                                I go where music was born

                                J S Bach 1685-1750

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