Prom 4 - 16.07.17: Daniel Barenboim and Staatskapelle Berlin

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

- in person, and in his writings, TS is a very knowledgeable and personable chap whose genuine enthusiasm for Music is to be treasured (and I don't mean "buried underground and forgotten about"); I noticed a similar character when he guest directed the 2005 Huddersfield Festival. But the "gushing idiot" persona he adopts for his concert presentations I find infuriating and alienating. And whilst I can understand why he would wish to get home as quickly as possible, I wish he'd let the final chord of a work finish before he erupts with his opinion.

That's it, in a short paragraph.

[vinteuil]

He'd be the same, whether he was faced by the Gothic symphony or major root canal work.

... not much to choose between them, though, is there?



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[Richard Barrett]

Hmm. TS made a point about not having heard another piece using two contra-bass clarinets. Clearly he missed out on Nigel Osborne's (first) Sinfonia at the 1982 proms. I suppose that's fair enough. He would only have been about 6 years old at the time.

But also this https://soundcloud.com/r-barrett/no-2004-for-orchestra
about which he interviewed me for the Guardian just before the premiere.

[pastoralguy]

... not much to choose between them, though, is there?



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Well, at least you would have an anaesthetic for the dentistry...

[vinteuil]

Well, at least you would have an anaesthetic for the dentistry...

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[alywin]

To Be or not To Be.....
OK - so you're at a performance of Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony. At the end of the allegro molto vivace, you're stunned. Silent. You know what's coming. Some members of the audience cheer and applaud, quite loudly. Then, when the adagio lamentoso begins, they fall silent. As does the whole hall.

How do you, who knew the consequence to the 3rd movement's faux-triumph, react?

Did answers get split off into a separate thread, or did nobody answer?

"Oh PLEASE, SHUT UP!" (thought, rather than hissed, of course). Although if it was a Friday or Saturday night I wouldn't even be going: I've learned my lesson about those audiences.

I think if you want a simple rule of thumb to tell everybody, it has to be DON'T, just to cover specific cases such as Tchaik 6. It makes life so much easier, although I suppose I don't necessarily object in other cases.

[BBMmk2]

I'm horrified beyond belief , that people applaud in between movements. I say this every year

[Bryn]

I'm horrified beyond belief , that people applaud in between movements. I say this every year

Possibly down to a trendy approach to potty training in their early years.

[teamsaint]

Our fellow member teamsaint.....

Just think of the bloke on the radio as Dave Lee Service , and confusion is easily avoided.

( Never see those two radio chaps in the same room, do you?.....)

[MrGongGong]

I'm horrified beyond belief , that people applaud in between movements. I say this every year

One of my favourite Facebook groups is "angry people in local newspapers". You can set your watch by the "outraged mum in haircut suspension shock" story
likewise with clapping between movements

So thanks for announcing the summer
guess I had better clean out the gutters then (and other annual jobs)

[Petrushka]

Applause between movements no longer bothers me. I don't do it myself but won't stop anyone else from doing so.

The fact is there is going to be noise anyway between movements so it's a matter of complete indifference to me whether it's clapping, coughing, rustling a sweet wrapper, talking or the hiss of opening a bottle of water. As long as none of those are done while the music is playing that's just fine by me.

[Nevilevelis]

One of my favourite Facebook groups is "angry people in local newspapers". You can set your watch by the "outraged mum in haircut suspension shock" story
likewise with clapping between movements

So thanks for announcing the summer
guess I had better clean out the gutters then (and other annual jobs)

I thought just that the other day!

Personally, it's not my habit to applaud between movements, but if others want to, I'm not going get my panties all up in a bunch over it! I am always pathetically grateful if one of my works or singing is applauded at any point in proceedings.

I recall a Proms performance of Peter Grimes a few years ago during which a young chap behind me burst into applause after the chorus's fortissimo calls of "Peter Grimes!" - I am convinced it was nothing more than the unalloyed enthusiam. I don't accept the hypothesis that inter-mvt. applause is perpetrated by an anti-establishment claque, as if those 'in the know' are guardians of the established order. B.O. bothers me far more!

[Barbirollians]

Just because something else is worse does not make clapping between movements a good thing .

[MrGongGong]

I think it's my turn to say that
it's all about context

[Nevilevelis]

Just because something else is worse does not make clapping between movements a good thing .

I didn't say it was good or bad - I am largely indifferent to it.