Proms 2017

**Stunsworth** · 20-04-17, 20:26

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

Not too much to whinge about this year, and much to praise.

A "Prom" outside London too.

A step in the right direction, even if it is one of those gimmicky car park efforts.

The proms in Hull are in a car park?

**Darkbloom** · 20-04-17, 20:30

I wish someone could explain the continued prominence of Daniel Harding. I have never heard him give a performance that rose above room temperature, and now he has the VPO to touch with his wand of mediocrity, who will probably ignore him - for the Mahler anyway.

Is there an army of Harding fanatics out there who can set me straight? Otherwise he seems like the David Frost of conductors, where you are left scratching your head at how he got where he is today.

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 20-04-17, 21:34

Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

BUT - no Music from before 1600, again

I lie! Palestrina with the BBC Singers under David Hill in the Southwark Cathedral Prom.

**Demetrius** · 20-04-17, 22:01

Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

BUT - no Music from before 1600, again

Palestrina is there, but little else, indeed.

As to British Music: the commissions and world premiers of the BBC account for a lot of the list; missed the Grace Williams event going through the calendar. Still think it is a bit thin though, perhaps it is just that the last few years, there was always at least one special treat in the bag that you did not get to hear often, A Child of Our Time 2016, Gerontius 2015, Moerans Violin Concerto, Alwyn Symphony No 1, RVW Job. Walton Facade, Henry V., Elgar The Kingdom 2014, The little Bantock fest, Tippett Symphony no 2 and Midsummer Marriage, Britten Billy Bud, Dowland 2013 Elgar The Apostles, the Vaughan Williams 3 Symphony concert 2012, The Gothic, Bax 2nd Symphony 2011 ...

I suppose this year, that would be Elgar 3. It still feels like it's been spread thin.

If I'm bored enough, I will go through the lists and see if its just my spleen or if the numbers back it up.

**jayne lee wilson** · 21-04-17, 01:21

Originally posted by Darkbloom View Post

I wish someone could explain the continued prominence of Daniel Harding. I have never heard him give a performance that rose above room temperature, and now he has the VPO to touch with his wand of mediocrity, who will probably ignore him - for the Mahler anyway.

Is there an army of Harding fanatics out there who can set me straight? Otherwise he seems like the David Frost of conductors, where you are left scratching your head at how he got where he is today.

No need to be a "fanatic" to enjoy these terrific recordings....

Paul Lewis Discography - Download Albums in Hi-Res - Qobuz

http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/brahms-piano-concerto-no1-paul-lewis-daniel-harding/3149020219126

Listen to Paul Lewis in unlimited on Qobuz and buy the albums in Hi-Res 24-Bit for an unequalled sound quality. Subscription from £10.83/month

Béla Bartók : Violin Concertos No. 1 & 2, Isabelle Faust - Qobuz

http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/bela-bartok-violin-concertos-no-1-2-isabelle-faust-swedish-radio-symphony-orchestra-daniel-harding/3149020214626

Listen to unlimited or download Béla Bartók : Violin Concertos No. 1 & 2 by Isabelle Faust in Hi-Res quality on Qobuz. Subscription from £10.83/month.

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dvorak-Concertos-Isserlis-Orchestra-Hyperion/dp/B00DW7OQ7G/ref=sr_1_17?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1492737950&sr=1-17&keywords=daniel+harding

**Demetrius** · 21-04-17, 02:00

Some British Numbers

2011: 31 composers, 68 works, apr. 1299 minutes of music, = 21,65 hours
2012: 43 composers, 68 works, apr. 1654 minutes of music, = 27,57 hours
2013: 37 composers, 90 works, apr. 1797 minutes of music, = 29,95 hours
2014: 35 composers, 77 works, apr. 1699 minutes of music, = 28,32 hours

2015: 37 composers, 53 works, apr. 879 minutes of music, = 14,65 hours
2016: 41 composers, 56 works, apr. 738 minutes of music, = 12,3 hours
2017: 30 composers, 44 works, apr. 958 minutes of music, = 15,97 hours

The spike in 2013 is due to the Britten festivities. That 2017 has more minutes/hours is due to the Elgar Cycle and Haendel Israel in Egypt (255 minutes are those 4 works alone). 2017 includes Saunders Molly's Song, Britten Russian Funeral and Daniel Saleeb Toccata on Erhalt uns ... which hadn't been listed yet. I might have missed one here or there, but that shouldn't have much impact on the overall results.

**EnemyoftheStoat** · 21-04-17, 07:28

Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post

No need to be a "fanatic" to enjoy these terrific recordings....

Paul Lewis Discography - Download Albums in Hi-Res - Qobuz

http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/brahms-piano-concerto-no1-paul-lewis-daniel-harding/3149020219126

Listen to Paul Lewis in unlimited on Qobuz and buy the albums in Hi-Res 24-Bit for an unequalled sound quality. Subscription from £10.83/month

Béla Bartók : Violin Concertos No. 1 & 2, Isabelle Faust - Qobuz

http://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/bela-bartok-violin-concertos-no-1-2-isabelle-faust-swedish-radio-symphony-orchestra-daniel-harding/3149020214626

Listen to unlimited or download Béla Bartók : Violin Concertos No. 1 & 2 by Isabelle Faust in Hi-Res quality on Qobuz. Subscription from £10.83/month.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dvorak-Conc...daniel+harding

And his recent Symphonie Fantastique knocks spots off a lot of much-praised others.

**Alison** · 21-04-17, 07:49

His recording of Mahler 6 is actually very good, fresh and involving, I wouldn't expect that Prom to be a disappointment.

**Eine Alpensinfonie** · 21-04-17, 07:54

Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

I lie! Palestrina with the BBC Singers under David Hill in the Southwark Cathedral Prom.

Oh, them again.

But it could still be one of the best Proms seasons for years.

**MrGongGong** · 21-04-17, 08:06

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

Oh, them again.

But it could still be one of the best Proms seasons for years.

A gig here would be perfect for some Elliott Carter

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 21-04-17, 08:09

Many thanks for the statistics, Demetrius - I was going to do something similar this morning, but you've saved me the effort

Originally posted by Demetrius View Post

2017 includes Saunders Molly's Song

Brilliant!!! I missed that - when is it on?

Britten Russian Funeral

Beggur! I saw that the first time I looked through the programme, but missed on the "Brit-specific" reading.

Daniel Saleeb Toccata on Erhalt uns ... which hadn't been listed yet.

Thou fib'st, sir! (It's 8 lines from the bottom, between Kate Whitley and Cheryl Frances-Hoad

)

Interesting that the "British" number of hours, works, and composers has fallen so noticeably since Roger Wright left

**Alison** · 21-04-17, 08:12

Anybody know anything of Tom Coult?

**MrGongGong** · 21-04-17, 08:18

Originally posted by Alison View Post

Anybody know anything of Tom Coult?

Yes, more here

TOM COULT

http://www.tomcoult.com

Composer

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 21-04-17, 08:20

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

Oh, them again.

I deleted my "worse than nothing" comment.

But it could still be one of the best Proms seasons for years.

There's certainly a lot more that I would want to actually go to than in the combined seasons of 2015 and 2016 - especially now that Demetrius has pointed out the Rebecca Saunders piece.

The usual omission, of course ... and nothing to celebrate Sciarrino's 70th ... and the under-representation of Music from before 1600 remains a serious cause for complaint.

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 21-04-17, 08:22

Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post

Yes, more here
http://www.tomcoult.com

- and here:

Tom Coult

https://soundcloud.com/tomcoult

Listen to Tom Coult | SoundCloud is an audio platform that lets you listen to what you love and share the sounds you create.

I shall be providing similar links and intros to all the works by living composers in the weeks before their broadcasts.

Proms 2017

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