Prom 71: 7.09.16 Staatskapelle Dresden, Christian Thielemann and Daniil Trifonov

[jayne lee wilson]

The Bruckner, I thought was very good, indeed. did CT mention that he uses the Nowak Edition?

Yes, it was the Nowak, hence the scherzo coda (but see #55 above...!)

[peterkin]

Very kind of you, makropulos! I imagine that the 'Legends' CD must be out of print' by now..?
I'll have a look and see if the River People have it.

They do at a rather high price new.Somewhat cheaper used.

[Petrushka]

This was the first time I've heard a memory lapse at any concert I've attended which is why I wondered what was going on. While on the subject, this Beecham story came into my mind last night:

Describing a disastrous lapse of memory by Alfred Cortot during a piano concerto he was conducting Beecham declared: "We started out with the Beethoven and I kept up with Cortot during the Greig, Schumann, Bach and Tchaikovsky and then he hit on one I didn't know, so stopped dead".

So what was Trifonov playing while trying to find his way back to Mozart? Just improvisatory tinkling? it must be a conductor's worst nightmare never mind the soloist's.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Listening on iplayer I think he might have confused the broken arpeggio sequence in the score that leads to a dominant preparation with another part of the concerto - but I could be wrong. There's an earlier slight fudge which indicated things were going awry. I would have thought this sort of confusion is fairly easy to make in a symphonic work with repeats - even easier in a sonata rondo perhaps. Pianistic memory lapses are pretty common particularly in solo recitals without the musical cues from an orchestra - but perhaps easier to cover with no orchestra to 'clash ' with . I was sad to hear from other posters DT seemed mortified . He is a phenomenal musician - the pressures of constant live performance must be immense . I've often thought a solo piano recital must be the most stressful form of public performance - amazing there aren't more lapses really.

[Nick Armstrong]

Here's an interesting video of DT being interviewed about, and demonstrating, his approach to the cadenzas:

[underthecountertenor]

Listening on iplayer I think he might have confused the broken arpeggio sequence in the score that leads to a dominant preparation with another part of the concerto - but I could be wrong. There's an earlier slight fudge which indicated things were going awry. I would have thought this sort of confusion is fairly easy to make in a symphonic work with repeats - even easier in a sonata rondo perhaps. Pianistic memory lapses are pretty common particularly in solo recitals without the musical cues from an orchestra - but perhaps easier to cover with no orchestra to 'clash ' with . I was sad to hear from other posters DT seemed mortified . He is a phenomenal musician - the pressures of constant live performance must be immense . I've often thought a solo piano recital must be the most stressful form of public performance - amazing there aren't more lapses really.

I agree with all you say, except that I'm not sad that he seemed mortified. To appear unaffected would have smacked of arrogance. I agree that he's a phenomenal musician. It's nice to know that he is also a human being.

[Nick Armstrong]

See comments under & about the Guardian review: https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...l-london-proms

... and the link in that by "Circumbendibus" this morning

[underthecountertenor]

See comments under & about the Guardian review: https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...l-london-proms

... and the link in that by "Circumbendibus" this morning

Confirmation, if it were needed, that Martin Kettle should not be writing music reviews.

[Sir Velo]

See comments under & about the Guardian review: https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...l-london-proms

... and the link in that by "Circumbendibus" this morning

Cover blown!

Interesting to read Martin Kettle's reply to just criticism.

[Nick Armstrong]

Cover blown!

You mean it was you? (It certainly wasn't me, if that's what you were thinking...)

[Sir Velo]

You mean it was you? (It certainly wasn't me, if that's what you were thinking...)

Clearly another member of the fraternity...

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Clearly another member of the fraternity...

I reckon it was Roger Wright.

[Beef Oven!]

There is a comment from panjandrum. I wonder if it it’s our former forumite.

[jean]

This was the first time I've heard a memory lapse at any concert I've attended...

It did make me question once again the idea that when people applaud between movements it's always because they are overwhelmed by the quality of what they've just heard...

[Bryn]

This was the first time I've heard a memory lapse at any concert I've attended ...

Are you sure you have not forgotten previous such occurrences?