Prom 59: 29.08.16 - Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra – Beethoven

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  • pastoralguy
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    • Nov 2010
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    #16
    is it just me or is the pianoforte rather close miked? Mind you, fabulous playing from all concerned!

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    • kernelbogey
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      • Nov 2010
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      #17
      Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
      is it just me or is the pianoforte rather close miked? Mind you, fabulous playing from all concerned!
      I'm just really enjoying a balance between piano and orchestra which is unfamiliar from most recordings and broadcasts - hearing lots of new detail in the piano part - partly Schiff, partly Blomstedt, partly engineers!

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      • pastoralguy
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        • Nov 2010
        • 7760

        #18
        Schiff holding onto the last chord after the orchestra stopped at the end of the first movt. happened in Edinburgh too.

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        • Bryn
          Banned
          • Mar 2007
          • 24688

          #19
          Does anyone here have, or have access to, Jonathan Del Mar's critical edition of this concerto? I really like to know what conclusion he comes to regarding the principal time signature, and thus tempo, of the 'slow' movement.

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          • Alison
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            • Nov 2010
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            #20
            Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
            - hearing lots of new detail in the piano part -
            Very telling left hand contribution tonight

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            • edashtav
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              • Jul 2012
              • 3670

              #21
              Leipzig Gewandhaus orchestra conducted by Herbert Blomstedt

              Leonora no 2 is the most dramatic of the Fidelio overtures. This was a slow, expansive performance with crescendi and climaxes allowed to grow and flourish and isolated chords to resound and die in the RAH’s ample acoustics. Did I detect an orchestral emulation of the 19th century pianistic habit of playing chords in the left hand before the right? Bruckner would have loved the significant silences. This was the most old-fashioned interpretation of Beethoven that I’ve heard in a quarter of a century. But, I’ve been listening appreciatively to Herbert Blomstedt’s conducting for half a century and he’s close to 90!

              Piano Concerto no. 5 in Eb major with Sir Andras Schiff playing Schiff’s piano.

              The main tempo was well set with a strong feeling of forward propulsion, yet without undue haste. My earliest memories are of live performances by Wilhelm Backhaus and Benno Moiseivitch. Schiff showed a lighter touch than either of those but he did indulge in a touch of left before right chording, maybe in honour of playing with the orchestra that gave this great work its world premiere. Schiff’s playing was full of detached chords, precisely placed within an overall concern for line and shape. Were I to reach for a single adjective, I’d use ‘aristocratic’. The big moments were drawn with conviction and much flourish.The Schiff piano was hard – pressed to yield a wide range of colour and dynamics. It sounded superb but a long way from a fortepiano.

              No time for any Bank Holiday revelry from the audience for Blomstedt launched straight into the slow movement. Some fellows who had saved their best coughs could contain their rasps no longer than its first subject. To more important matters, Schiff’s phrasing was a constant delight. The transition to the finale was replete with mystery and repressed expectation.

              Was that finale a little too controlled and conservative in tempo? There was ample time for a great deal of detail that can be lost within the overall welter of notes. However,I did miss some visceral excitement and headlong virtuosity. It was as if a virtuoso was walking us through the movement to demonstrate its components and structural strengths.

              Overall, A-, a fine performance but not the best I’ve experienced.
              One of Schubert's Impromptus made a generous and appropriate encore.
              Last edited by edashtav; 29-08-16, 19:40. Reason: Typos

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              • kernelbogey
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                • Nov 2010
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                #22
                Originally posted by Alison View Post
                Very telling left hand contribution tonight
                Yes - also very noticeable in the Schubert.

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                • edashtav
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                  • Jul 2012
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                  #23
                  Yes,the left hand ruled this concert - nothing sinister in that- even the orchestra played chords from the bottom up, at times.A fine "20th century" performance of the symphony. A very good concert and a great tribute to Herbert Blomstedt and the longevity of conductors, in general. "They shall not grow old..."
                  Lovely work by the beeb's engineers.

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                  • kernelbogey
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    What an absolutely terrific performance of the seventh symphony!

                    I loved the tempo of IV - and the orchestra remained crisp throughout! Also the lack of pauses between I and II, and between III and IV - just right.

                    Lovely flute throughout, to pick on just one highlight.

                    It must have been electrifying in the hall....

                    And now the splendid Egmont Overture - a great favourite of mine.
                    Last edited by kernelbogey; 29-08-16, 21:16. Reason: Amending adjectives!

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                    • Prommer
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                      • Dec 2010
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                      #25
                      Wow! The brass in the Egmont!

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                      • edashtav
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                        • Jul 2012
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Prommer View Post
                        Wow! The brass in the Egmont!
                        YES! Great to have such a substantial encore.

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                        • DaisyDog
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                          • Jun 2016
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                          #27
                          Reservations about Beethoven? How could you? It's as well you weren't around in 1808 when a benefit concert was held for Beethoven in Vienna. The concert was almost four hours long, featured the public premieres of Beethoven's Fifth and Sixth Symphonies, the Fourth Piano Concerto and the Choral Fantasy. The performers consisted of an orchestra, chorus, vocal soloists, and the composer as piano soloist.

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            #28
                            Originally posted by DaisyDog View Post
                            Reservations about Beethoven? How could you? It's as well you weren't around in 1808 when a benefit concert was held for Beethoven in Vienna. The concert was almost four hours long, featured the public premieres of Beethoven's Fifth and Sixth Symphonies, the Fourth Piano Concerto and the Choral Fantasy. The performers consisted of an orchestra, chorus, vocal soloists, and the composer as piano soloist.

                            Re. JC on LvB.

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                            • oddoneout
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                              • Nov 2015
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                              #29
                              I had BBC4's country bus slow tv on while listening to the concert. Uplifting music and soothing green countryside - effective antidote to a busy( and not always pleasant) working Bank Holiday weekend.

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                              • Pianorak
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 3127

                                #30
                                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                                I had BBC4's country bus slow tv on while listening to the concert. Uplifting music and soothing green countryside . . .
                                Snap. Great minds?
                                My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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