Originally posted by marvin
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Prom 55: 27.08.16 - CBSO/Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla
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"The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by marvin View PostMs MG-Tyla remindes me of one of those contestants on a TV programme a few years ago where Celebs tried the 'art' of conducting and were judged by their ability or lack of it - I seem to remember Ms K Dereham there, once, having a go. They all seemed to have exaggerated, alarming arm movements and pointing at orchestra members as if they needed reminding it was their turn to play.
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Originally posted by Petrushka View PostThere did seem to be a lot of arm flailing going on to little purpose so far as a non-musician like me could tell and a good deal of unnecessary energy expended. Time will tell whether MGT is right for the CBSO but a few of the old sweats in the band did look less than enthused. One hopes that the CBSO haven't gone for reverse sexism here but my own feeling on this showing is that a couple or three more years as an assistant conductor would have benefitted MGT."Perfection is not attainable,but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence"
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostIt might be interesting to hear views from Forumistas about how this "absolute novice" could negotiate Abrahamsen's score so well.
And frankly I'm dismayed by some of the remarks about how her conducting "looks". I first heard the CBSO Prom on the radio, and what it sounded like was enough to get me very interested in her musical ideas. Plenty of fine conductors have rather distracting visual technique, but it's the musical results that matter. MG-T's immediate predecessor at the CBSO is, arguably, a case in point. The young Noseda was another.
Incidentally, to suggest that players in the orchestra aren't happy is absurd. As at least one poster has noted, this is an unusually democractic orchestra and the members chose her.Last edited by makropulos; 06-09-16, 22:57.
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Well, indeed; the visual appearance of many conductors might strike viewers as less than elegant - the test is how the orchestra responds to them. The Tchaikovsky (to chose the work probably most familiar to audiences) was not the sort of performance that characterises an orchestra on "auto-pilot"; it had an individual "interpretation" that came from a conductor who can persuade an orchestra to perform it as she thinks it should be performed. No "absolute novice" could manage this.
I wasn't particularly won over by the resulting performance (preferable, however to Silvestri's - and I would never consider him an "absolute novice") but that is a separate matter entirely from the professional competence of the conductor.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostIt might be interesting to hear views from Forumistas about how this "absolute novice" could negotiate Abrahamsen's score so well.
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I too think this....
looked an absolute novice! Clearly the CBSO have gone for a young attractive person to promote itself, just as the BBC proms TV does with SMP. Its all about "attracting new audiences" with superficial methods.
I doubt that the CBSO, players or management, would have appointed anyone who wasn't extremely competent or who didn't have some track-record. As for 'an absolute novice', that's just ridiculous.
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Only just looked at this thread closely - good grief. How utterly dismaying. Thank goodness for the last 6 posts to restore sanity. The CBSO appointing a young woman as principal conductor and artistic director on grounds of positive discrimination, inverse sexism or the youth vote? The CBSO? Come on guys, PLEASE....
As makropoulos pointed out, time for a few MCPs here to consult Mirga Gražinytė-Tyla's artistic history (via, you know, google, wiki, ever heard of them?).... I only heard part one of the Prom, unwell and unable to focus, but it sounded fine. I'll try to go back for another listen after all this...!
Patience now. Use your ears more than your eyes. Wait for the recordings, and if a CBSO concert turns up on R3 this autumn, listen closely and comment....
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If ever there was a Prom to put London’s classical crowd in their place, to remind us (as those outside the capital so frequently and justifiably do) that the city isn’t the be-all and end-all of concert-going, then this was it. It featured three major debuts – all of them overdue, two of them musical hand-me-downs from Birmingham.
Precise yet expressive playing in this remarkable concert climaxed in an astonishing song cycle by Hans Abrahamsen
A pair of auspicious debuts marked the CBSO's Prom: MirgaGražinyte-Tyla was making her London debut, plus it was the first time that Hans Abrahamsen's song cycle let me tell you was to be heard in the capital.
...ETC.!
***Excellent article by Mark Swed of the LA Times here...
Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 07-09-16, 17:30.
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