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  • DaisyDog
    Full Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 54

    ill informed Proms trailers...

    Such melodramatic piffle! The current annoying trailer for the upcoming Mozart Requiem Prom is arrant nonsense. Far from bring a mystery as to the origins of the work's commissioner that is well known. So dear BBC Radio 3: do your research and stop broadcasting such rubbish!
  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    #2
    Originally posted by DaisyDog View Post
    Such melodramatic piffle! The current annoying trailer for the upcoming Mozart Requiem Prom is arrant nonsense. Far from bring a mystery as to the origins of the work's commissioner that is well known. So dear BBC Radio 3: do your research and stop broadcasting such rubbish!
    No indication in the trailer or the Radio 3 online schedule as to which of the various completions/editions is to be used. Looks like it the that with much/most not by Mozart but by Süssmayr. I'd prefer to hear either the HCRL edition or the completion by Levin.

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26523

      #3
      Originally posted by DaisyDog View Post
      Such melodramatic piffle! The current annoying trailer for the upcoming Mozart Requiem Prom is arrant nonsense. Far from bring a mystery as to the origins of the work's commissioner that is well known. So dear BBC Radio 3: do your research and stop broadcasting such rubbish!
      I must say it caused me to switch off with an inward groan... I put it down to having had 30 odd years of the trite Mozart Requiem 'legend' being trotted out, and thought 'someone will be hearing this for the first time'... but will they? And what's the point if it's nonsense - fine for Peter Shaffer to dramatise, but as an announcement for a concert (when as Bryn says, there are more interesting/instructive things to say)...? I tend to agree, Daisy

      The trailers are one of the main downsides of R3 - almost as bad as the adverts for new teeth on Classic FM...
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Pulcinella
        Host
        • Feb 2014
        • 10895

        #4
        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        No indication in the trailer or the Radio 3 online schedule as to which of the various completions/editions is to be used. Looks like it the that with much/most not by Mozart but by Süssmayr. I'd prefer to hear either the HCRL edition or the completion by Levin.
        The printed guide says
        Requiem (compl. Süssmayr)

        So does alpie's listing for this Prom (and therefore wherever he gets the info from).

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        • Pianorak
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3127

          #5
          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          I must say it caused me to switch off with an inward groan... I put it down to having had 30 odd years of the trite Mozart Requiem 'legend' being trotted out, and thought 'someone will be hearing this for the first time'... but will they? And what's the point if it's nonsense - fine for Peter Shaffer to dramatise, but as an announcement for a concert (when as Bryn says, there are more interesting/instructive things to say)...? I tend to agree, Daisy

          The trailers are one of the main downsides of R3 - almost as bad as the adverts for new teeth on Classic FM...
          Forget the "almost". What about "the much-loved Clarinet concerto"? Almost sufficient to put me off this concert.
          My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            #6
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            - almost as bad as the adverts for new teeth on Classic FM...
            Though, to be fair CFM know their audience: the amount of gnashing and grinding of teeth caused by listening to it, they'd probably need a new set.
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • DracoM
              Host
              • Mar 2007
              • 12962

              #7
              What I love is that ghastly cliched 'dip into the Proms' carp - i.e. exactly the same promo as last year.
              BUT
              the Proms July-September IS what R3 is more or less entirely about, what with repeats, pre- and post concert talks, lunchtimes, late nights, every prog on R3 promoting the Proms in almost every way they can think. Wall to wall. AND is is evident that most of the trails are aimed at NON-R3 audiences, i.e. those the Beeb presumes know very little about classical music.

              Fine, OK, got it, but then for a R3 audience, might not a very different trail-fest be proper? That Mozart Req trail is just embarrassing.

              Deo Gratias for the EIF, I say.

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26523

                #8
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                Though, to be fair CFM know their audience: the amount of gnashing and grinding of teeth caused by listening to it, they'd probably need a new set.
                I'd never thought of it that way !!

                And yes - Draco - the "Dip in" mantra is poor too - all about superficiality... 'Immerse yourself' would be better, I always think...
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  #9
                  KD has been practising saying the name of the new conductor of the CBSO....

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                  • pastoralguy
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7739

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                    KD has been practising saying the name of the new conductor of the CBSO....
                    Good luck to her! It's a bit of a tongue twister, isn't it?

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                    • Roslynmuse
                      Full Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1236

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                      KD has been practising saying the name of the new conductor of the CBSO....
                      The words 'dog's breakfast' spring to mind.

                      It seems to me that those 'dip into the Proms' trailers should be on any other radio station than R3 ie for the people who wouldn't normally be listening to the Proms or R3. Hardly rocket science...

                      As for peddling inaccuracies - are there any researchers employed by R3 nowadays? Or are the scripts written by the work experience boys and girls earlier in the year?

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12793

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                        ... As for peddling inaccuracies - are there any researchers employed by R3 nowadays? Or are the scripts written by the work experience boys and girls earlier in the year?
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                        Last edited by vinteuil; 24-08-16, 14:07.

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #13
                          This morning on Radio 4 there was a corker. There is an upcoming programme relating to Alec Douglas-Home. The continuity announcer managed to pronounce Home as, well, home. He did not sound that young, either, so should have known better.
                          Last edited by Bryn; 24-08-16, 14:02. Reason: Link added

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                          • Sir Velo
                            Full Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 3225

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                            This morning on Radio 4 there was a corker. There is an upcoming programme relating to Alec Douglas-Home. The continuity announcer managed to pronounce Home as, well, home. He did not sound that young, either, so should have known better.
                            Be grateful they didn't have to introduce a programme on Duncan Sandys.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                              Be grateful they didn't have to introduce a programme on Duncan Sandys.
                              Yes, that could be a real Goehr.

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