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  • teamsaint
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 25200

    Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
    So, collating most of the legwork into a single post, as to what's in this summer's roster of Proms, it looks like this, so far:

    7/15/16: The First Night; BBC SO & Chorus / Oramo (presumably), program includes Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky
    7/22/16 (?): Prom 8 - Strictly Come Dancing Prom
    7/23/16 & 7/24/16: 'Ten Pieces' Proms (BBC Phil, Alpesh Chauhan)
    7/30/16: Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette; ORR / JEG / Monteverdi Choir
    8/6/16: NYOGB / young ladies of the NYCGB (??) / Edward Gardner; Iris Ter Shiphorst / Richard Strauss / Holst
    8/14/16: BBC SO / Oramo, Guy Johnston (cello), program includes world premiere of Charlotte Bray's Cello Concerto
    8/19/16: Janacek - Věc Makropulos; BBC SO / Jiri Belohlavek, cast includes Karita Mattila
    8/20/16: Proms Saturday Matinee; London Sinfonietta / Andrew Gourlay, program includes Georg Friedrich Haas' Open Spaces II - In memory of James Tenney
    8/29/16: LGO / Blomstedt / Andras Schiff; all-Beethoven Prom
    9/4/16: Rossini - Semiramide (complete), OAE / Sir Mark Elder, cast includes Albina Shagimuratova, Daniela Barcellona, Ildebrando D'Arcangelo and Javier Camarena

    Undetermined dates:
    WEDO / Barenboim (sometime in August)
    Glyndebourne Prom: The Barber of Seville
    Schoenberg: Gurre-Lieder; BBC SSO / Runnicles
    Vadim Gluzman / BBC SO: program includes UK premiere of Lera Auerbach work for violin, chorus & orchestra

    Either Pulcinella or IGI can mark 'correct' (C) or not (I), if either so wishes. Other relatively easy-to-predict / hope for items might include:

    * Another appearance by the John Wilson Orchestra
    * A Prom with Bernard Haitink (his 50th anniversary year at The Proms, as with Barenboim)

    From the above sampler, it's actually looking pretty promising. I'm sure there'll be more than enough of the usual standard repertoire, but such is life.

    Plus, people here seem to live in a fantasy-world where R3 can run The Proms in a financially secure bubble separate from any connection to the rest of the BBC, where there is no obligation to work together with other units of the BBC. Or indeed, a fantasy-world where the Oliver Knussen Prom sells out every year, and not even 1500 people would even think of going to either an Ibiza-themed Prom or a Strictly Come Dancing Prom. It barely needs stating that the current state of things is the exact opposite of the last sentence in particular. For several years now, just as another example, just about every time that there's an all-British Prom that's a really good program (e.g. Sinaisky leading Moeran's Symphony and Elgar 2 in the same night in 2009, or the Ivor Gurney War Elegy / Sally Beamish The Singing / Walton 1 Prom in 2014), it gets lots of nods of approval here, and rightly so, but unfortunately, from various reviews, the RAH is, at best, 1/2 to maybe 3/5 full. If you want to know why you don't get more George Lloyd / Jonathan Lloyd / Brian Ferneyhough / fill in your favorite name, there is your answer, I'm afraid. Not enough people show up at those Proms each year to let the BBC and the Proms management know that those higher-end programs are worth it to them, year after year. When you guys can gin up enough audience to break 50% tickets sold for the Olly Prom, year after year, that will be progress.

    (Of course, it would also help if you guys elected a Parliament that isn't hostile to the idea of the common good, or that is willing to renew the BBC's charter with a modest increase to the license fee, even by a piddling amount like £1-£2, so that the BBC isn't forced to try to do more and more with less and less. Sadly, we have the same problem in the USA, with too many 'red' states electing misogynist and homophobic legislatures and governors, promoting appalling legislation in turn. But I digress.)

    Anyway, I suppose all will be revealed for the rest of us w/o an advance copy of the 2016 Proms Guide in a little over 2 days time. But one nice thing to see off Amazon.co.uk's stats is that the 2016 BBC Proms Guide ranks at #98 in overall book sales ranking. Not bad.
    With the free publicity at its disposal, getting a book which has such a specific time frame to # 98 ought to be an absolute doddle.

    I'm surprised other publishers ,who have to pay for their marketing out of funds generated from sales,don't complain about unfair competition from BBC books.
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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    • Pulcinella
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      • Feb 2014
      • 10897

      Although the Guide is openly on sale in my local bookstore, and in that sense the information is readily available, I do not want to get either the forum or that bookstore (or myself!) into any disrepute by accusations of leaks before the official publication date, so I shall restrict my comments to saying that bsp's dated listing, gleaned predominantly from information elsewhere, is substantially correct (give or take the odd dates/participants/designation of event), but only three out of the four other items feature.

      I thank you in advance for your understanding and sympathy at this difficult time.


      I don't understand ts's reference to post #98 (ferney's prediction), I'm sad to say.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
        I don't understand ts's reference to post #98 (ferney's prediction), I'm sad to say.
        I think it was rather in reference to the final sentence of bsp's post (quoted in its entirety by ts' ) which said that the Proms Guide for this year had already reached #98 in the Amazon Books sales "chart".
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25200

          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
          Although the Guide is openly on sale in my local bookstore, and in that sense the information is readily available, I do not want to get either the forum or that bookstore (or myself!) into any disrepute by accusations of leaks before the official publication date, so I shall restrict my comments to saying that bsp's dated listing, gleaned predominantly from information elsewhere, is substantially correct (give or take the odd dates/participants/designation of event), but only three out of the four other items feature.

          I thank you in advance for your understanding and sympathy at this difficult time.


          I don't understand ts's reference to post #98 (ferney's prediction), I'm sad to say.
          Thanks for that Pulcers.
          If I see your local man at the London Book Fair this week, I'll not say a word.

          I think Ferney made the situation re suggestions clear in his reply in his # 100.

          ( didn't we elect several governments and a coalition that were supposed to govern for the " common good"?

          Easy enough to see how that went by checking out " Prime Ministers" and cross reference with " Investment banks" on " Where are they now ?" websites.)
          Last edited by teamsaint; 11-04-16, 08:34.
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • Pulcinella
            Host
            • Feb 2014
            • 10897

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            I think it was rather in reference to the final sentence of bsp's post (quoted in its entirety by ts' ) which said that the Proms Guide for this year had already reached #98 in the Amazon Books sales "chart".
            Of course it was!
            Brain and eyes not yet fully coordinated this morning!

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            • teamsaint
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 25200

              just to be serious for a moment, (!!) I quoted BSP's post in full because I didn't want my post ( the first response and which was picking up on a minor point, in truth) to detract from the BSP's excellent detective work compilation.

              Damned if you do etc.
              Last edited by teamsaint; 11-04-16, 08:59.
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • HighlandDougie
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 3082

                Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
                So, collating most of the legwork into a single post, as to what's in this summer's roster of Proms, it looks like this, so far:

                7/15/16: The First Night; BBC SO & Chorus / Oramo (presumably), program includes Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky
                7/22/16 (?): Prom 8 - Strictly Come Dancing Prom
                7/23/16 & 7/24/16: 'Ten Pieces' Proms (BBC Phil, Alpesh Chauhan)
                7/30/16: Berlioz - Romeo et Juliette; ORR / JEG / Monteverdi Choir
                8/6/16: NYOGB / young ladies of the NYCGB (??) / Edward Gardner; Iris Ter Shiphorst / Richard Strauss / Holst
                8/14/16: BBC SO / Oramo, Guy Johnston (cello), program includes world premiere of Charlotte Bray's Cello Concerto
                8/19/16: Janacek - Věc Makropulos; BBC SO / Jiri Belohlavek, cast includes Karita Mattila
                8/20/16: Proms Saturday Matinee; London Sinfonietta / Andrew Gourlay, program includes Georg Friedrich Haas' Open Spaces II - In memory of James Tenney
                8/29/16: LGO / Blomstedt / Andras Schiff; all-Beethoven Prom
                9/4/16: Rossini - Semiramide (complete), OAE / Sir Mark Elder, cast includes Albina Shagimuratova, Daniela Barcellona, Ildebrando D'Arcangelo and Javier Camarena
                Bah! I realise that no-one ever reads anything which I post (not that I blame them for that) but, to requote my Post No 63:

                "If anyone is at all interested, Christian Thielemann and the Dresden Staatskapelle are appearing on Wednesday 7th and Thursday 8th September in two programmes dedicated to the 2VS .... OK, I made that last bit up (although CT, whom I have abused elsewhere for his musical conservatism, is performing Schönberg later in their season - Pelléas and Mélisande to be sure but at least it's an advance on Wagner and Strauss).

                In fact the programmes over the two nights consist of a Mozart PC (KV467 - with Daniil Trifonov), the Beethoven VC (Nikolaij Znaider), Bruckner's 3rd (1877 edition), Reger's Mozart Variations and Strauss's Till Eulenspiegel. Fabulous orchestra, not quite so sure about CT
                ....."

                So, in American-ese, that's

                9/7/16 & 9/8/16 Dresden Staatskapelle/Christian Thielemann with Daniil Trifonov and Nicolaij Znaider (don't who is on which night).

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                • Nick Armstrong
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26524

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  I thank you in advance for your understanding and sympathy at this difficult time.


                  I don't find any of the predicted concerts very tempting*, so am hoping for better things when the guide is available more widely than in the Commedia dell'Arte bookshop!


                  *.... oh: except your Dresden news, HD. Now one or both of those might get me to Kensington Gore
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • mrbouffant
                    Full Member
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 207

                    The excitement mounts!

                    I'm hoping for RVW 9, Arnold 7, Elgar/Payne 3, Alwyn 2 and Dyson 1 (and only) -- not long to wait until I find out if all my dreams come true ;)

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                    • Pulcinella
                      Host
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10897

                      Originally posted by mrbouffant View Post
                      The excitement mounts!

                      I'm hoping for RVW 9, Arnold 7, Elgar/Payne 3, Alwyn 2 and Dyson 1 (and only) -- not long to wait until I find out if all my dreams come true ;)
                      Dream on!

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                      • mrbouffant
                        Full Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 207

                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                        Dream on!
                        That's a big shame. Is there anything at all English composed between 1900-1958?.. :)

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                        • Pulcinella
                          Host
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 10897

                          Originally posted by mrbouffant View Post
                          That's a big shame. Is there anything at all English composed between 1900-1958?.. :)
                          Yes!
                          The Holst in the NYOGB concert, for example.

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                          • mrbouffant
                            Full Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 207

                            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                            Yes!
                            The Holst in the NYOGB concert, for example.
                            LOL. Thanks

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Third time lucky - any Dunstable this year? (Or anything at all English composed between 1400-1458?)
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • Pulcinella
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                                • Feb 2014
                                • 10897

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                                Third time lucky - any Dunstable this year? (Or anything at all English composed between 1400-1458?)
                                Not your lucky day.
                                Eyes and brain now coordinated, and quick scan shows that earliest dated composer, though English, is credited as being born c1540.

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