Your wishes for 2016 (Music-related suggestions only please)

[Suffolkcoastal]

Actual figures per Symphony - 1985-2015 (31 seasons)
J Adams: Dr Atomic 1
Aho: No9 1
Alwyn: No1 1
Arne: No4 1
Arnold: No3 1
CPE Bach: in B minor & F major
Bantock: Celtic 1
Beethoven: No1 9, No2 6, No3 22, No4 14, No5 15, No6, 13, No7 21, No8 10, No9 32
Berio: Sinfonia 2
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique 25, Harold in Italy 3, Romeo & Juliet 3, Symphonie Funebre 1
Bernstein: No1 1, No2 2
Bizet: Symphony in C 1
Bliss: A Colour Symphony 2
Borodin: No 2 1
Boccherini: Symphony in C minor
Boyce: No5 1
Brahms: No1 18, No2 13, No3 8, No4 19
Brian: No 1 1
Britten: Sinfonietta 1, Simple Symphony 2, Sinfonia da Requiem 10, Spring Symphony 3, Cello Symphony 2
Bruckner: No1 1, No2 1, No3 7, No4 8, No5 6, No6 3, No7 14, No8 12, No9 10
Casken: Broken Consort 1
Chausson: B flat 1
Copland: Dance 1, Organ Symphony 1, Short 1, No3 4
Maxwell Davies: Sinfonia 1, No 2 1, No3 1, No4 1, No5 2, No6 1, No7 1, No8 1, No9 1
Dutilleux: No2 1
Dvorak: No5 1, No6 3, No7 10, No8 11, No9 16
Eisler: Kleine Symphonie 1
Elgar: No1 12, No2 12, No3 2
Franck: D minor 3
Glanert: No3 1
Glass P: No7 1, No10 1
Gliere: No3 1
Goehr A: Symphony with Chaconne 1
Gorecki H: No3 2
Harris R: No3 1
Hartmann K A: No6 2
Haydn F J: No31 1, No39 1, No43 1, No44 4, No46 1, No47 2, No48 1, No49 1, No55 1, No60 1, No64 1, No70 1, No76 1, No79 1, No82 1, No83 1, No84 1, No85 2, No86 2, No87 1, No88 2, No90 3, No94 1, No95 1, No96 2, No97 1, No98 1, No99 1, No100 5, No101 2, No102 3, No103 2, No104 4
Henze: No1 1, No4 1, No7 1, No8 1, No9 1, No10 1
Hindemith: Mathis der Maler 5, E Flat 1
Holloway: Symphony 1
Holst: A Choral Symphony 1
Honegger: No3 2
Ives: Holidays 2, No2 1, No3 1, No4 5
Janacek: Sinfonietta 11
Kancheli: No3 1
Knussen: No2 1, No3 2
Korngold: Symphony in F sharp 1
Kraus J M: in C major 1
Langgaard: No11 1
Lilburn: No3 1
Liszt: Dante 2, Faust 2
Lloyd J: No4 1
Lutoslawski: No3 3, No4 4
MacMillan J: No3 1, No4 1
Mahler: No1 18, No2 11, No3 7, No4 16, No5 20, No6 14, No7 9, No8 4, No9 10, No10 3
Martinu: No6 2
Matthews D: No5 1, No6 1
Mendelssohn: No1 1, No2 1, No3, 9, No4 9, No5 4
Messiaen: Turangalila 8
Moeran: Sinfonietta 1, G minor 1
Mozart W A: No1 1, No4 1, No14 1, No23 1, No25 4, No29 6, No31 5, No32 4, No33 1, No34 3, No35 9, No36 1, No38 6, No39 5, No40 9, No41 11
Nash P P: Symphony 1
Nielsen: No2 2, No3 3, No4 7, No5 7, No6 1
Norgard: No6 1, No7 1
Panufnik A: No3 2
Parry: No5 1
Part: No3 1, No4 1
Penderecki: Sinfonietta No1 1
Piston: No2 1
Powers A: Symphony 1
Prokofiev S: No1 8, No2 1, No3 2, No4 (rev vers) 2, No5 15, No6 3, No7 3
Rachmaninov: No1 4, No2 14, No3 3,
Roussel: No3 3
Rubbra: No4 1
Ruders: No2 1
Saint-Saens: No3 9
Schmidt F: No2 1, No4 1
Schoenberg: Chamber No1 5
Schubert: No3 3, No4 4, No5 6, No6 3, No8 13, No9 15
W Schuman: No7 1
Schumann: Zwikau 1, No1 3, No2 5, No3 4, No4 8
Scriabin: No1 1, No3 1, No4 7
Shostakovich: No1 5, No2 1, No3 1, No4 7. No5 15, No6 6, No7 10, No8 9, No9 4, No10 21, No11 6, No13 3, No14 1, No15 4
Sibelius: Kullervo 3, No1 10, No2 18, No3 7, No4 3, No5 17, No6 5, No7 11
Simpson R: No5 1
Stenhammar: No2 1
Strauss R: Domestica 2, Alpine 10
Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms 6, in C 2, in 3 Movements 10
Suk: Asrael 1
Szymanowski: No3 2, No4 2
Tchaikovsky P: Manfred 7, No1 4, No2 5, No3 1, No4 16, No5 15, No6 14
Tippett: No2 2, No4 3
Vasks: No2 1
Vaugfhan Wiliams: No1 4, No2 5, No3 3, No4 5, No5 7, No6 5, No7 2, No8 2, No9 2
Walton: No1 8, No2 2
Yiu R: No1 1
Zemlinsky: Lyric 1

[Stanfordian]

Actual figures per Symphony - 1985-2015 (31 seasons)
J Adams: Dr Atomic 1
Aho: No9 1
Alwyn: No1 1
Arne: No4 1
Arnold: No3 1
CPE Bach: in B minor & F major
Bantock: Celtic 1
Beethoven: No1 9, No2 6, No3 22, No4 14, No5 15, No6, 13, No7 21, No8 10, No9 32
Berio: Sinfonia 2
Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique 25, Harold in Italy 3, Romeo & Juliet 3, Symphonie Funebre 1
Bernstein: No1 1, No2 2
Bizet: Symphony in C 1
Bliss: A Colour Symphony 2
Borodin: No 2 1
Boccherini: Symphony in C minor
Boyce: No5 1
Brahms: No1 18, No2 13, No3 8, No4 19
Brian: No 1 1
Britten: Sinfonietta 1, Simple Symphony 2, Sinfonia da Requiem 10, Spring Symphony 3, Cello Symphony 2
Bruckner: No1 1, No2 1, No3 7, No4 8, No5 6, No6 3, No7 14, No8 12, No9 10
Casken: Broken Consort 1
Chausson: B flat 1
Copland: Dance 1, Organ Symphony 1, Short 1, No3 4
Maxwell Davies: Sinfonia 1, No 2 1, No3 1, No4 1, No5 2, No6 1, No7 1, No8 1, No9 1
Dutilleux: No2 1
Dvorak: No5 1, No6 3, No7 10, No8 11, No9 16
Eisler: Kleine Symphonie 1
Elgar: No1 12, No2 12, No3 2
Franck: D minor 3
Glanert: No3 1
Glass P: No7 1, No10 1
Gliere: No3 1
Goehr A: Symphony with Chaconne 1
Gorecki H: No3 2
Harris R: No3 1
Hartmann K A: No6 2
Haydn F J: No31 1, No39 1, No43 1, No44 4, No46 1, No47 2, No48 1, No49 1, No55 1, No60 1, No64 1, No70 1, No76 1, No79 1, No82 1, No83 1, No84 1, No85 2, No86 2, No87 1, No88 2, No90 3, No94 1, No95 1, No96 2, No97 1, No98 1, No99 1, No100 5, No101 2, No102 3, No103 2, No104 4
Henze: No1 1, No4 1, No7 1, No8 1, No9 1, No10 1
Hindemith: Mathis der Maler 5, E Flat 1
Holloway: Symphony 1
Holst: A Choral Symphony 1
Honegger: No3 2
Ives: Holidays 2, No2 1, No3 1, No4 5
Janacek: Sinfonietta 11
Kancheli: No3 1
Knussen: No2 1, No3 2
Korngold: Symphony in F sharp 1
Kraus J M: in C major 1
Langgaard: No11 1
Lilburn: No3 1
Liszt: Dante 2, Faust 2
Lloyd J: No4 1
Lutoslawski: No3 3, No4 4
MacMillan J: No3 1, No4 1
Mahler: No1 18, No2 11, No3 7, No4 16, No5 20, No6 14, No7 9, No8 4, No9 10, No10 3
Martinu: No6 2
Matthews D: No5 1, No6 1
Mendelssohn: No1 1, No2 1, No3, 9, No4 9, No5 4
Messiaen: Turangalila 8
Moeran: Sinfonietta 1, G minor 1
Mozart W A: No1 1, No4 1, No14 1, No23 1, No25 4, No29 6, No31 5, No32 4, No33 1, No34 3, No35 9, No36 1, No38 6, No39 5, No40 9, No41 11
Nash P P: Symphony 1
Nielsen: No2 2, No3 3, No4 7, No5 7, No6 1
Norgard: No6 1, No7 1
Panufnik A: No3 2
Parry: No5 1
Part: No3 1, No4 1
Penderecki: Sinfonietta No1 1
Piston: No2 1
Powers A: Symphony 1
Prokofiev S: No1 8, No2 1, No3 2, No4 (rev vers) 2, No5 15, No6 3, No7 3
Rachmaninov: No1 4, No2 14, No3 3,
Roussel: No3 3
Rubbra: No4 1
Ruders: No2 1
Saint-Saens: No3 9
Schmidt F: No2 1, No4 1
Schoenberg: Chamber No1 5
Schubert: No3 3, No4 4, No5 6, No6 3, No8 13, No9 15
W Schuman: No7 1
Schumann: Zwikau 1, No1 3, No2 5, No3 4, No4 8
Scriabin: No1 1, No3 1, No4 7
Shostakovich: No1 5, No2 1, No3 1, No4 7. No5 15, No6 6, No7 10, No8 9, No9 4, No10 21, No11 6, No13 3, No14 1, No15 4
Sibelius: Kullervo 3, No1 10, No2 18, No3 7, No4 3, No5 17, No6 5, No7 11
Simpson R: No5 1
Stenhammar: No2 1
Strauss R: Domestica 2, Alpine 10
Stravinsky: Symphony of Psalms 6, in C 2, in 3 Movements 10
Suk: Asrael 1
Szymanowski: No3 2, No4 2
Tchaikovsky P: Manfred 7, No1 4, No2 5, No3 1, No4 16, No5 15, No6 14
Tippett: No2 2, No4 3
Vasks: No2 1
Vaugfhan Wiliams: No1 4, No2 5, No3 3, No4 5, No5 7, No6 5, No7 2, No8 2, No9 2
Walton: No1 8, No2 2
Yiu R: No1 1
Zemlinsky: Lyric 1

Hiya SuffolkCoastal,

Very intresting information indeed. As first glance the most played is Beethoven 9 at 32. Next the Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique at 25 times and it often feels like it. No performance of any symphony by Sir Charles Stanford rather does surprise me.

[Rolmill]

That's a great list Suffolkcoastal, I could (but won't!) spend hours poring over it, many thanks.

The immediately striking surprises for me are:

- No Schubert 1 or 2 for over 30 years!! No.1 I can take or leave, but No.2 is lovely.
- Concur with the surprise at the Bizet featuring only once - I would have thought it's a perfect Prom piece.
- Only one performance of Mozart's Linz symphony is a pity.
- Depressing to find that one of Haydn's great London symphonies (No.93) hasn't been played at all during this period. That said, the total number of Haydn performances was considerably higher than I expected; my impression is that there have been hardly any over the past few years.
. Very sad to see only one of Martinu's symphonies represented (No.6 played twice - I much enjoyed the JEG performance in 2010).

[antongould]

Yes another excellent piece of work suffy .......

Interestingly, or not, if you look at the Top 10 symphonies as voted for by a proportion of our population in April 2011 you get


Number of times in suffy's Proms
Bruckner 8 12
Elgar 1 12
Mahler 2 11
Vaughan Williams 5. 7
Beethoven 7. 21
Beethoven 3. 22
Elgar 2 12
Mahler 9. 10
Beethoven 9. 32
Schubert 9. 15

Not interesting at all actually ........

[teamsaint]

That's a great list Suffolkcoastal, I could (but won't!) spend hours poring over it, many thanks.

The immediately striking surprises for me are:

- No Schubert 1 or 2 for over 30 years!! No.1 I can take or leave, but No.2 is lovely.
- Concur with the surprise at the Bizet featuring only once - I would have thought it's a perfect Prom piece.
- Only one performance of Mozart's Linz symphony is a pity.
- Depressing to find that one of Haydn's great London symphonies (No.93) hasn't been played at all during this period. That said, the total number of Haydn performances was considerably higher than I expected; my impression is that there have been hardly any over the past few years.
. Very sad to see only one of Martinu's symphonies represented (No.6 played twice - I much enjoyed the JEG performance in 2010).

Yes it is Roly. A feelgood piece if ever there was one.

Fantastic work from Suffy.

[P. G. Tipps]

Celtic 1, Harold in Italy 3 ..

Some result for Harold!

[Suffolkcoastal]

With Haydn, the decline has been over the last 15 years. His symphonies seem to have been more regularly performed in the 1980s & 90s. The Chausson was a surprise in that its appearance at the 1987 Proms was its first and only performance so far. Symphonists such as Holmboe, Milhaud, Tubin, Diamond & Weinberg, have never had any of their symphonies performed at the Proms and in the case of the latter 3, no works at all. None of the earlier Dvorak symphonies in recent years, only Martinu 6 twice and none of the others at all apart from No4 in 1984. The wonderfully attracted Nielsen 1 only performed once in 1968.

[Serial_Apologist]

With Haydn, the decline has been over the last 15 years. His symphonies seem to have been more regularly performed in the 1980s & 90s. The Chausson was a surprise in that its appearance at the 1987 Proms was its first and only performance so far. Symphonists such as Holmboe, Milhaud, Tubin, Diamond & Weinberg, have never had any of their symphonies performed at the Proms and in the case of the latter 3, no works at all. None of the earlier Dvorak symphonies in recent years, only Martinu 6 twice and none of the others at all apart from No4 in 1984. The wonderfully attracted Nielsen 1 only performed once in 1968.

And none of Koechlin's! His second, from 1943, complete with ondes martenot, would go down a storm with audiences, with its rousing modal fugal finale.

[EdgeleyRob]

Post #121,great work sc.

I wonder if we will ever hear a Weinberg symphony at the Proms.

[Suffolkcoastal]

It is all about persuading orchestras/conductors to perform these works and careful but imaginative programming. But the Proms is the one large scale 'Festival' where there is the opportunity to introduce these sort of works.

[teamsaint]

And none of Koechlin's! His second, from 1943, complete with ondes martenot, would go down a storm with audiences, with its rousing modal fugal finale.

Blimey. Imagine the excitement of the R3 presenters when faced with the prospect of four Ondes Martenots.
On the other hand, probably don't.
Anyway, fascinating recommendation, S-A .there appears to be one radio performance available on youtube, and no commercial recording?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj2yktTsspU

i agree it would be a superb proms work.

[Bryn]

Blimey. Imagine the excitement of the R3 presenters when faced with the prospect of. Four Ondes Martenots.
On the other and, probably don't.
Anyway, fascinating recommendation, S-A .there appears to be one radio performance available on youtube, and no commercial recording?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj2yktTsspU

i agree it would be a superb proms work.

Well, there were three in the Proms performance of Messiaen's Saint François d'Assise, and his Fête des belles eaux. of which there are at least three commercial recordings, uses six of the blighters. Re. the latter, I just found this fairly recent performance on Vimeo.

Strangely, though there are six Ondes Martenot, there appear to be but 5 sets of speakers.

[teamsaint]

Well, there were three in the Proms performance of Messiaen's Saint François d'Assise, and his Fête des belles eaux. of which there are at least three commercial recordings, uses six of the blighters..

Ah, so lack of Ondes is no excuse for not performing or recording the second symphony then ?

Heres his COTW podcast, just in case anybody, ( like me) is interested.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ns6nk

[Suffolkcoastal]

Koechlin certainly hasn't suffered from over exposure and more of his music would indeed be welcome, other French composers such as Magnard and Ropartz haven't been performed at all at the proms & not a great deal of Roussel either. Another missed opportunity this year was for Dukas Symphony in C, which has never been performed at the proms.

[Lat-Literal]

How about including all the anniversary composers that have been snubbed in the last 15 years or so:

Magnard, Ropartz, Hindemith, Glazunov, Tubin, Holmboe, W Schuman, Diamond etc etc

Kalliwoda would be good, the violin concertos of Gade and Goldmark, a greater variety of composers from the 'classical era'. Some Rautavaara, Miaskovsky and Weinberg as well as Arnold & Rubbra. Honegger, Martinu, Carter, Tippett please.

A Mahler free proms season for once, absolutely no George Lloyd. Give the regular The Planets, Le Sacre, Shostakovich 10 etc a rest please.

And these please:

Dutilleux and Ginastera - 100th Birthdays

and

Satie and Kalinnikov - 150th Birthdays.