Prom 76: Last Night of the Proms 2015 (12.09.15)

[Serial_Apologist]

PC in its most useful sense doesn't appear to have reached one of our public schools. If Sunday's Sunday Worship inclusion of I Vow to Thee my Country from Rugby School in its imperialistic entirety is anything to go by, Victorian philistinism is alive and undergoing incubation in such places.

This would never have happened under Tony Blair.

[Richard Tarleton]

PC in its most useful sense doesn't appear to have reached one of our public schools. If Sunday's Sunday Worship inclusion of I Vow to Thee my Country from Rugby School in its imperialistic entirety is anything to go by, Victorian philistinism is alive and undergoing incubation in such places.

Pedant's corner - Cecil Spring-Rice's poem was inspired by losses during the First World War. It was not made into a song until 1921. It has nothing to do with Victorian philistinism, or imperialism, unless that is your interpretation of World War 1.

[VodkaDilc]

PC in its most useful sense doesn't appear to have reached one of our public schools. If Sunday's Sunday Worship inclusion of I Vow to Thee my Country from Rugby School in its imperialistic entirety is anything to go by, Victorian philistinism is alive and undergoing incubation in such places.

I heard the end of the service and, as far as I can recall, it ended with Mine eyes have seen the glory. Should we draw any conclusions about the political implications of this. Or, as with I vow to Thee my Country, was it just a matter of choosing material which is suitable for rousing singing in a public school chapel?

[Serial_Apologist]

Pedant's corner - Cecil Spring-Rice's poem was inspired by losses during the First World War. It was not made into a song until 1921. It has nothing to do with Victorian philistinism, or imperialism, unless that is your interpretation of World War 1.

Oh really? It was written in 1908 according to your Wiki link, and the first two of the three verses speak for themselves.

[Richard Tarleton]

Read the whole thing. It was re-written in 1918. Patriotic, yes - the poem described how a Christian owes his loyalties to both his homeland and the heavenly kingdom - but you'll have to point out the references to imperialism or philistinism for me. And it's Edwardian, not Victorian. Not sure it supports your point, Lat.

At least they didn't sing Bishop Heber's masterpiece



(I remember singing this at school )

[VodkaDilc]

(I remember singing this at school )

Not to this tune, surely.

[Richard Tarleton]

No, you're right. It should be the one in the English Hymnal. Not sure who it was by - Percy Dearmer? It's been a few years.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Not to this tune, surely.

This is the tune used as a fugue theme in Ives' First String Quartet - later adapted for the Fourth Symphony.

[VodkaDilc]

No, you're right. It should be the one in the English Hymnal. Not sure who it was by - Percy Dearmer? It's been a few years.

I was brought up on Hymns A&M and always sang these words to S S Wesley's Aurelia.

[Richard Tarleton]

That's the one!

[teamsaint]

No, you're right. It should be the one in the English Hymnal. Not sure who it was by - Percy Dearmer? It's been a few years.

Did Percy Dearmer write any tunes, RT? on a quick look, I could only find texts.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Well done, well done, EA!


and I mean that most sincerely ladies and gentlemen

No - as Mr Knightly said, it was "badly done, badly done indeed".

I liked them so much that I wrote a Fantasia on British Sea Songs of my own (which included the Skye Boat Song, long before Bob C. thought of it). It was performed several times around 15 years ago.

[Pabmusic]

PC in its most useful sense doesn't appear to have reached one of our public schools. If Sunday's Sunday Worship inclusion of I Vow to Thee my Country from Rugby School in its imperialistic entirety is anything to go by, Victorian philistinism is alive and undergoing incubation in such places.

This would never have happened under Tony Blair.

But wasn't it sung at Diana's funeral?

[By the way, it's all Holst's own fault - he turned the tune into a hymn himself. Imogen said he was 'overworked' at the time.]

[Pabmusic]

No, you're right. It should be the one in the English Hymnal. Not sure who it was by - Percy Dearmer? It's been a few years.

It doesn't appear in The English Hymnal (RVW clearly didn't approve), though the well known tune does. It's Aurelia by Samuel Sebastian Wesley.

[Edit]: VodkaDilc beat me to it I see.

[Richard Tarleton]

Thanks both, and TS, memory at fault. I know the hymn, to what I now know to be the SS Wesley tune - I'd assumed it was in the English Hymnal which is what the school I did time in used, so now I have no idea how I came across it. Haven't clapped eyes on the EH in nearly 50 years