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I hadn't noticed the pun, but that performance does live in my memory.Originally posted by edashtav View Post[my emphasis]
An illuminating choice of verb, gurnemanz!
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Spectacular concert. Was my first prom of the year and it always takes my ears a while to adjust - the first Mantra seemed a bit of a sonic miasma, I wanted to hear those horns more clearly (ditto the recurring and exhilarating thematic bits for example of 'Joie du Sang des Etoiles' in the Messiaen). But maybe it's the performance too, or where we were sitting (about 13 minutes-past, using kernel's map above) - I heard the Mantras before at the Proms, but from a promming perspective, in the 90s I think, and they seemed much leaner.
Interestingly I was there with one of the French family who is more used to film and video game music, and he came out much more interested by the Foulds than the Messiaen (although the final movement of the latter gave "frissons"...)
I have problems with some of the Messiaen movements, the angular repetitiveness of some of the sections which to be honest I always think I could do without - but maybe the cumulative effect would be less, the Final less of a release, without them. However, I recall that on a cassette for the car years back, I created my own four-movement version from the Rattle CD
with the movements in the sequence: 8 (Développement) - 5 (Joie) - 6 (Jardin) - 10 (Final)... Sacrilege I know but it makes a rather good 'symphony' of more conventional structure, and they remain the movements that do it for me - there's an element of endurance in the others, for me, waiting for the fantastic bits to arrive.
Very good, mobile, joyous performance, deftly played with some cracking solo playing! I'd love to have a comparative view of this week's performance from someone who also heard the Salonen a few weeks back. I heard the last movement of that performance on the radio - Salonen made MUCH more of the final chord, it seemed to grow from nothing very slowly to a huge long final ear-splitting tenuto, whereas Mena made it more of an exhilarating WHOOOSH!"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Well, apart from Boulez doing the three Turangalila movements (III, VII and IX) at a Prom in 1973, in his notes to the original release of the 1961 Le Roux recording Messiaen mentions performances of Movements III, IV and V, and I, II, VI, IX and X as part performances he attended and, presumably, approved of.Originally posted by Caliban View Post... I have problems with some of the Messiaen movements, the angular repetitiveness of some of the sections which to be honest I always think I could do without - but maybe the cumulative effect would be less, the Final less of a release, without them. However, I recall that on a cassette for the car years back, I created my own four-movement version from the Rattle CD with the movements in the sequence: 8 (Développement) - 5 (Joie) - 6 (Jardin) - 10 (Final)... Sacrilege I know but it makes a rather good 'symphony' of more conventional structure, and they remain the movements that do it for me - there's an element of endurance in the others, for me, waiting for the fantastic bits to arrive. ... Comment
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Interesting. I have enjoyed Bitches Brew and Turangalila the moment I clapped ears on them. And cracked? What do you mean exactly by cracked?Originally posted by cloughie View PostComment
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