Prom 37: Late Night With … BBC Radio 1Xtra (12.08.15)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Ah yes - Home Truths. That was one of the very best.

[Anna]

The Guardian gave it 4**** and said "It's a testament to both grime's accessibility and the sing-along power of its most anthemic tracks"
Review here: http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...-is-a-neat-fit
The Independent gave it 5***** http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-10453533.html

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

[french frank]

The Guardian gave it 4**** and said "It's a testament to both grime's accessibility and the sing-along power of its most anthemic tracks"
Review here: http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...-is-a-neat-fit
The Independent gave it 5***** http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-10453533.html

It surely reflects the fact that people who enjoy this kind of music will think it was a great gig.The audience reaction needn't be guessed.

But I still think this insistence that having an orchestra makes it 'classical' (rather than 'orchestral') is depressing. Some people really do believe that they're hearing some sort of blend of grime and 'classical music'.

[MrGongGong]

But I still think this insistence that having an orchestra makes it 'classical' (rather than 'orchestral') is depressing. Some people really do believe that they're hearing some sort of blend of grime and 'classical music'.

So (and i'm not saying it is or isn't) WHAT would make it 'classical' in your definition?

[cloughie]

Also a composing aid for aspiring minimalist composers!

[cloughie]

He would refer to the Proms he'd attended in his Radio Times column and on Home Truths (with a fondness for Rachmaninoff, I remember). I think Cerys Matthews and Stuart Maconie are at least occasional visitors, too.

I seem to remember in one of his articles mentioning his love of the imperfections of vinyl over CD and mention of Rachmaninov PC 2 and the old ACL recording by Julius Katchen comes to mind.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

So (and i'm not saying it is or isn't) would make it 'classical' in your definition?

????

[doversoul1]

The Guardian gave it 4**** and said "It's a testament to both grime's accessibility and the sing-along power of its most anthemic tracks"
Review here: http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...-is-a-neat-fit
The Independent gave it 5***** http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-10453533.html

You could say that the reviewer in The Guardian has a vested interest in the result of this concert.

http://www.theguardian.com/profile/kieran-yates

http://www.nme.com/

She writes:
with the classical musicians helping to amplify the more modern genre’s cinematic drama
by ‘classical musicians’ she means this:
Metropole Orkest (have we met them before?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropole_Orkest

She seems to be terribly excited about the fact that her kind of music was performed at The Proms but obviously learned nothing much about classical music.

By the way, my criticism is about the way in which The Guardian is picking and choosing ‘the right kind of’ reviewers to publish their Proms reviews.

What did the experts on this forum think?

Incidentally, this review is published on the Gordian Main Music (i.e. Music minus classical music) site, too. I wonder how it is in the printed edition.

[french frank]

So (and i'm not saying it is or isn't) would make it 'classical' in your definition?

Of course not. 'Classical music' refers to a repertoire which may or may not be orchestral: it isn't the orchestra that makes it classical. And blended with grime à la Buckley, it's grime with an orchestra.

[MrGongGong]

Of course not. 'Classical music' refers to a repertoire which may or may not be orchestral: it isn't the orchestra that makes it classical. And blended with grime à la Buckley, it's grime with an orchestra.

So (with the missing word included) WHAT makes it 'Classical'?

(ignoring the fact that the Proms has always included "non-classical" musics )

I think (sadly in some ways but not in others) the presence of the orchestra DOES make it "classical music" by current definitions.
There are plenty of pieces which are now considered to also be (G&S) that weren't at the time of their creation.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I seem to remember in one of his articles mentioning his love of the imperfections of vinyl over CD and mention of Rachmaninov PC 2 and the old ACL recording by Julius Katchen comes to mind.

Yes - he liked surface noise because "life has surface noise". (A Jazz Combo at a school I worked at called themselves "Surface Noise" when they formed just after he died.)

[doversoul1]

Administrator
Please can you start a new thread (on Talking about Music maybe) about ‘what is classical music?’ or whatever the title Mr Gongers prefers and leave all the concert threads for the members to talk about the concert and the related music?

[french frank]

think (sadly in some ways but not in others) the presence of the orchestra DOES make it "classical music" by current definitions.

I'll take your 'sadly' gratefully.

To me 'classical music' is a particular repertoire of many styles, many eras, many formats and many instrumental groupings. The vast mass was written before 1950. If they want to rebrand the Proms as a 'music festival', they should do so. Announce it and do it. Not keep introducing the word 'classical' to brainwash people into thinking they're really experiencing it. Or that every sort of music is 'classical really'.

(ignoring the fact that the Proms has always included "non-classical" musics )

A cliché which it suits people to trot out lately. It 'included' non-classical music; it didn't 'always' devote whole concerts to one restricted kind of non-classical music: it 'never' did.

It's currently trial by jury as far as G&S is concerned. Much is deliberate pastiche rather than the real thing. Composing a Handelian aria in the 1880s, for semi-humorous effect, is not authentically anything except, probably, G&S.

[MrGongGong]

Administrator
Please can you start a new thread (on Talking about Music maybe) about ‘what is classical music?’ or whatever the title Mr Gongers prefers and leave all the concert threads for the members to talk about the concert and the related music?

I doubt your "interest" in this concert is out of curiosity for the music.