Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[Stanfordian]

To return briefly to the subject, albeit a bit late. I like a bit of Ibizaesque dance so I did listen until 11pm when I realised I was bored stiff, it seemed a bit watered down, rather lame, no atmosphere, not raw and rough enough. It wasn’t the best example of the genre (as detailed by others above, the vocals and the orchestra was adornment not integral, etc.) Of course people can say that if you look closely in an attempt to justify this Prom being broadcast on R3 you can say House and Techno draw on the music of Steve Reich and Philip Glass in their use of repetitive loops that often develop subtly and, in the case of the best examples, raise adrenaline levels so what’s the difference?

The BBC is a brand and the Proms are a product, therefore they want to showcase all their brand leaders/ channels/output, hence Cbeebies, Sherlock, Dr. Who, Attenborough, Asian Network Proms. (Has there ever been a Radio 2 Prom?)

As to whether this Prom will encourage R1 listeners to tune into R3 and vice versa, I doubt it very much, that’s as unlikely as a Katherine Jenkins fan listening to a performance of Aida. The whole idea of attracting new listeners to R3 via Proms like this is pure Siobhan W1A-speak, and I’m sure at heart the BBC don’t believe it any more than any of us do.

Hiya Anna,

I could not agree with you more. Even if it does not work (which it won't) the BBC is being seen trying to expand its audiance.

[teamsaint]

Daniel's # 494 puts well what feel about these Proms all too often.

Re the idea of a portal, I had an interesting exchange with Mr GG recently here.

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthread.php?5410-What-Rock-Pop-Jazz-rock-Fusion-Prog-Experimental-etc-album-are-you-listening-to&p=491733&highlight=Temperament#post491733

Seems to me that in our discussion, Sevish ("pop "?) served as the portal, for me, to Branca ( Classical? Art Music ?)

i suppose since Branca isn't likely to be programmed any time soon at the RSH it is somewhat academic, but if you are going to have "pop" Proms that serve a purpose other than to promote BBC brands, then this might be the sort of area For programmers to investigate.

[Zucchini]

Yup, I agree with Anna & Daniel's posts.

[richardfinegold]

Hiya Anna,

I could not agree with you more. Even if it does not work (which it won't) the BBC is being seen trying to expand its audiance.

However, doing so by insulting it's core audience--the "cobblers"-- seems divisive and counterproductive .

[jean]

Prom 4 is interesting .

So is Prom 5! I love this bit:

Byrd
Haec dies
Proms premiere
Ave verum corpus
Proms premiere
Laudate, pueri, Dominum
Proms premiere
Vide, Domine, afflictionem nostram
Proms premiere

[Serial_Apologist]

Of course people can say that if you look closely in an attempt to justify this Prom being broadcast on R3 you can say House and Techno draw on the music of Steve Reich and Philip Glass in their use of repetitive loops that often develop subtly and, in the case of the best examples, raise adrenaline levels so what’s the difference?

You can say that the one is wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am - grinding was the term oft used iirc - whereas the other is more subtle. Or was, once upon a time. Or twice upon a time. Or even however many beats can be crammed over such-and-such a number of repeated blocks of more or less the same boring old thing upon a time.

(You can probably tell I don't think much of Techno, House, or whatevah)

[richardfinegold]

On the beer front, i don't know what the story is over there, but here the beer choices of today are definitely more interesting than the 1970s. Then the market was dominated by a few large conglomerates all issuing carbonated soap. There has been an explosion of microbrewerys here since the millenium and the choices are much more varied and interesting.

[french frank]

(You can probably tell I don't think much of Techno, House, or whatevah)

I liked this wiki quote on the serious subject of ska: "[Ernest] Ranglin ... asserted that the difference between R&B and ska beats is that the former goes "chink-ka" and the latter goes "ka-chink"."

[Serial_Apologist]

On the beer front, i don't know what the story is over there, but here the beer choices of today are definitely more interesting than the 1970s. Then the market was dominated by a few large conglomerates all issuing carbonated soap. There has been an explosion of microbrewerys here since the millenium and the choices are much more varied and interesting.

Only since the millennium over there, Richard? Here the Real Ale movement got going in the 1970s - largely started by an erstwhile Trotskyist who obviously believed that true beer would advance the proletarian revolution - Roger Protz the Trotz being the nickname he earned. CAMRA - the Campaign for Real Ale. Many moving experiences happened as a consequence.

[teamsaint]

I liked this wiki quote on the serious subject of ska: "[Ernest] Ranglin ... asserted that the difference between R&B and ska beats is that the former goes "chink-ka" and the latter goes "ka-chink"."

he should be sent to Coventry.

[french frank]

he should be sent to Coventry.

They do things differently there …

[Serial_Apologist]

he should be sent to Coventry.

Surely UB more than 40?

[teamsaint]

Surely UB more than 40?

Some critics never know when to tone down their comments.

[MrGongGong]

Some critics never know when 2 tone down their comments.

To be fair only one in ten of them would say that

[jean]

...Here the Real Ale movement got going in the 1970s...

But it didn't get very far until very recently.

In the 70s proper beer was a tiny niche market. Now it's everywhere, I'm glad to say.