Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[teamsaint]

Wow! That was a helluva Season! Just looking through the 53 concerts - there's nothing I'd want to miss. Great repertoire, great range, great performers - Wow!

Prom 4 is interesting .

[Beef Oven!]

Wow! That was a helluva Season! Just looking through the 53 concerts - there's nothing I'd want to miss. Great repertoire, great range, great performers - Wow!

Exactly what I thought on reading through the list! I wish I could travel back in time and attend in 1970 (no iPlayer though :-))

Prom 22 10th August is a well-dance Prom!!

[cloughie]

Wow! That was a helluva Season! Just looking through the 53 concerts - there's nothing I'd want to miss. Great repertoire, great range, great performers - Wow!

The season was of course saddened by the death of Sir John Barbirolli. Interesting to note the Halle conducted by Groves and Pritchard. Also Loughran, JB's successor conducted both the BBCSO and the PO early in the season.

[Nick Armstrong]

Wow! That was a helluva Season! Just looking through the 53 concerts - there's nothing I'd want to miss. Great repertoire, great range, great performers - Wow!

Isn't it just!! Been spooling through and thinking - Yes... Yes... OH YES! .. Yes... about concerts I'd want to have attended. Wonder what Boulez and the BBCSO sounded like in Mahler 5 in 1970 (with Pierrot Lunaire as a starter). And Reggie Goodall's Bruckner 7! And... and... Oh and a Boult Gerontius. And a Previn/LSO Walton 1. And Boulez in Daphnis & Chloe and Rite of Spring... and that Messiaen First Night!!

[Bryn]

That Boulez Mahler 5 was available on CD (dodgy Italian bootlegs) for a while. May well still be found. I got one to replace my reel-to-reel recording from FM.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

That Boulez Mahler 5 was available on CD (dodgy Italian bootlegs) for a while. May well still be found. I got one to replace my reel-to-reel recording from FM.

I have that very CD - if it's the HUNT incarnation?

And - trust youTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-zdAl40Jo

[Beef Oven!]

Isn't it just!! Been spooling through and thinking - Yes... Yes... OH YES! .. Yes... about concerts I'd want to have attended. Wonder what Boulez and the BBCSO sounded like in Mahler 5 in 1970 (with Pierrot Lunaire as a starter). And Reggie Goodall's Bruckner 7! And... and... Oh and a Boult Gerontius. And a Previn/LSO Walton 1. And Boulez in Daphnis & Chloe and Rite of Spring... and that Messiaen First Night!!

They don't make 'em like that anymore.

[MrGongGong]

They don't make 'em like that anymore.

Nazi conductors and doggerel verse set to music

Didn't the beer taste good in the old days

[Beef Oven!]

Nazi conductors and doggerel verse set to music

Didn't the beer taste good in the old days

What you talking about 'Nazi' conductor? What a silly comment.

And you might be too young to remember it but I'm not - the beer did taste better in the 70s. So did the whisky.

Stick to what you know.

[gurnemanz]

Wow! That was a helluva Season! Just looking through the 53 concerts - there's nothing I'd want to miss. Great repertoire, great range, great performers - Wow!

Aged 21, my first live Missa Solemnis with Jochum and Concertgebouw was quite something.

[cloughie]

What you talking about 'Nazi' conductor? What a silly comment.

And you might be too young to remember it but I'm not - the beer did taste better in the 70s. So did the whisky.

Stick to what you know.

...and you are too young to remember that the beer tasted better in the 60s before Watney's Red Barrel and its keg clones took over. The beer is probably better now than it has ever been thanks to the microbreweries and real ale producers. Better all we be for knowing Betty Stogs. As for the music, there was a youngish chap called Bernard around - whatever happened to him. Many of the good and great conductors were around or had recently gone eg Szell, JB and the HIPP movement had just begun to shake and KC were progressing!

[MrGongGong]

And you might be too young to remember it but I'm not - the beer did taste better in the 70s. So did the whisky.

Higsons


I rest my case

[Anna]

To return briefly to the subject, albeit a bit late. I like a bit of Ibizaesque dance so I did listen until 11pm when I realised I was bored stiff, it seemed a bit watered down, rather lame, no atmosphere, not raw and rough enough. It wasn’t the best example of the genre (as detailed by others above, the vocals and the orchestra was adornment not integral, etc.) Of course people can say that if you look closely in an attempt to justify this Prom being broadcast on R3 you can say House and Techno draw on the music of Steve Reich and Philip Glass in their use of repetitive loops that often develop subtly and, in the case of the best examples, raise adrenaline levels so what’s the difference?

The BBC is a brand and the Proms are a product, therefore they want to showcase all their brand leaders/ channels/output, hence Cbeebies, Sherlock, Dr. Who, Attenborough, Asian Network Proms. (Has there ever been a Radio 2 Prom?)

As to whether this Prom will encourage R1 listeners to tune into R3 and vice versa, I doubt it very much, that’s as unlikely as a Katherine Jenkins fan listening to a performance of Aida. The whole idea of attracting new listeners to R3 via Proms like this is pure Siobhan W1A-speak, and I’m sure at heart the BBC don’t believe it any more than any of us do.

[Daniel]

I agree with a lot of Anna's #493 post above. I'm actually glad they tried this Ibiza style prom, but having heard an hour of it, I think the Proms with it, is almost less radical than one without.

Once something becomes 'safe', is made dad-friendly whatever, one feels the undertakers hovering nearby. This applies to any art form I think. Art at its most exciting, seems essentially a process of awakening, a broadening or refining of sth, to me.
The admittedly not very much pop/house music I hear (not quite sure of my terms) seems very conservative now, actually far less 'frightening to the horses' than many classical pieces. And once the status quo starts 'liking' sth, very often one senses the shutters coming down, and corporate money men with their anaesthetizing needles start arriving for the heart bypass operation, so that life after death will continue, but more in their image.

A classical only Proms season for example (particularly with much more 'new' music) would be much more dynamic than this season I think. I prefer the idea of a Proms with music from different genres, but this Ibiza Prom seemed almost Butlins-esque. Personally I'd have been more interested if something with more of a sneer on its face had turned up, or something more genuinely new (I know this was celebrating 20 years of Ibiza, but that seemed a slightly tired formula for something supposedly cage-rattling), I'm sure there are a lot of fantastic minds at work in the electronic scene who could bring a great deal of excitement and fresh air to the Proms. Such concerts would I imagine, be more likely to be a portal from 'pop' to 'art music', which I'd understood to be one of the putative aims.

But yes (in case my point got lost in that waffle) I think an exciting Proms is an evolving one (i.e not resting on its laurels), but I'm not sure this particular concert burned as brightly in that way, as it might have.

(p.s. I am 507 and always hated Double Diamond)

[MrGongGong]

I agree with a lot of Anna's #493 post above. I'm actually glad they tried this Ibiza style prom, but having heard an hour of it, I think the Proms with it, is almost less radical than one without.

Once something becomes 'safe', is made dad-friendly whatever, one feels the undertakers hovering nearby. This applies to any art form I think. Art at its most exciting, seems essentially a process of awakening, a broadening or refining of sth, to me.
The admittedly not very much pop/house music I hear (not quite sure of my terms) seems very conservative now, actually far less 'frightening to the horses' than many classical pieces. And once the status quo starts 'liking' sth, very often one senses the shutters coming down, and corporate money men with their anaesthetizing needles start arriving for the heart bypass operation, so that life after death will continue, but more in their image.

A classical only Proms season for example (particularly with much more 'new' music) would be much more dynamic than this season I think. I prefer the idea of a Proms with music from different genres, but this Ibiza Prom seemed almost Butlins-esque. Personally I'd have been more interested if something with more of a sneer on its face had turned up, or something more genuinely new (I know this was celebrating 20 years of Ibiza, but that seemed a slightly tired formula for something supposedly cage-rattling), I'm sure there are a lot of fantastic minds at work in the electronic scene who could bring a great deal of excitement and fresh air to the Proms. Such concerts would I imagine, be more likely to be a portal from 'pop' to 'art music', which I'd understood to be one of the putative aims.

But yes (in case my point got lost in that waffle) I think an exciting Proms is an evolving one (i.e not resting on its laurels), but I'm not sure this particular concert burned as brightly in that way, as it might have.

(p.s. I am 507 and always hated Double Diamond)

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