Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[french frank]

It does when you make the basis of your argument one of dismissal of this prom on the grounds that it has a strongly repetitive rhythmic element, since dance forms underpin almost all of "classical music" itself.

AS I pointed out in a post which all but Serial_Apologist (thank you!) ignored the 'dismissal' of this Prom is not "on the grounds that it has a strongly repetitive rhythmic element" ('Bolero?). There are other reasons for 'dismissing ' it. The repetitiveness and strong beat throughout seemingly every piece are merely reasons why some people find it musically limited and not very (personally) rewarding (many people feel that about Bolero). Its popular attraction seems to be if you want to dance to it. And to then say that the Proms are 'not about dance' is not the same as saying the Proms should never present music which is written in a variety of dance forms.

One can genuinely see the next Big Idea as being the Strictly Come Dancing Prom - except that it doesn't have the appeal of the popular youth subcultures.

[Beef Oven!]

Some people are simply scared of change. Beethoven would've loved the Ibiza Prom. As would Mozart, Wagner, Bach, Schoenberg.....................

[french frank]

Some people are simply scared of change.

That's right - try them out on classical music and they'd be running a mile. Not something they're used to.

[Beef Oven!]

That's right - try them out on classical music and they'd be running a mile. Not something they're used to.

Ok, here goes............... (look away Eine AlpenThumpmoan)

[Richard Tarleton]

Some people are simply scared of change. Beethoven would've loved the Ibiza Prom.

There's probably a technical term for this sort of completely unprovable, unknowable assertion, Beef, and I've no doubt that you'll come up with a smartass reply to this post. But there's little doubt that with his particular form of deafness Beethoven would have found the thump thump of dance music extremely distressing.

[Beef Oven!]

...............there's little doubt that with his particular form of deafness Beethoven would have found the thump thump of dance music extremely distressing.

What was it you were saying about completely unprovable, unknowable assertions, Dick?

And smartarse please, not smartass - Ibiza music and the Ibiza scene are British, not American.

[teamsaint]

What was it you were saying about completely unprovable, unknowable assertions, Dick?

And smartarse please, not smartass - Ibiza music and the Ibiza scene are British, not American.

Is the American not ' wise ass?'

[Richard Tarleton]

What was it you were saying about completely unprovable, unknowable assertions, Dick?

And smartarse please, not smartass - Ibiza music and the Ibiza scene are British, not American.

The balance of probability is with me, Beef - you hadn't really thought that one through. And smartarse, by all means. You really have been doing your reputation for reasoned, considered argument no favours at all on this thread

[Beef Oven!]

The balance of probability is with me, Beef - you hadn't really thought that one through. And smartarse, by all means. You really have been doing your reputation for reasoned, considered argument no favours at all on this thread

I have a reputation for reasoned, considered argument? Ok, cheers mate

[Richard Tarleton]

I have a reputation for reasoned, considered argument? Ok, cheers mate

I was being....oh, never mind. And by all means

[richardfinegold]

That's right - try them out on classical music and they'd be running a mile. Not something they're used to.

[Beef Oven!]

I was being....oh, never mind. And by all means

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

- Ibiza music and the Ibiza scene are British, not American.

Ibiza is the Spanish town where British trash go to binge drink.

[Flosshilde]

Now that the myths have gone, we're left with the Music

That's part of the cult - it's not music, but Music.

[Flosshilde]

I think doversoul was being too polite when referring to the repetitive rhythmic content. Some may be able to withstand being tortured before agreeing to talk. Minuets, polonaises, polkas and waltzes don't normally make one feel aggressive.

I think you only have to read the Vienna Phil New Year concert threads to realise that that's not true.