Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[MrGongGong]

if the performance were genuine,

What's a "genuine" performance?

[doversoul1]

What's a "genuine" performance?

Think it as whatever you like but no need to give us yet another lecture on sonically this or electro that. I /we know you are a fabulously knowledgeable and know famous people but we’ve heard rather a lot about it and could do with a break.

[MrGongGong]

Think it as whatever you like but no need to give us yet another lecture on sonically this or electro that. I /we know you are a fabulously knowledgeable and know famous people but we’ve heard rather a lot about it and could do with a break.

There's an answer to that (several)
YOU are so fond of DEMANDING answers to your questions aren't you?

Heave ho

Go and have a break if you like
have a "genuine" one

Hope you have your glowsticks ready (but leave your unhappiness at home)

"We continue"
and carry on sharing the love

[pilamenon]

I agree with fhg's lengthy summary of the issues a few messages back. I would guess the current situation is that, as a BBC "brand", a key job of the Proms these days is to promote all the other BBC music "brands", and so they've now come round to Radio 1's Ibiza coverage on a suitable anniversary. Radio 3's job is to promote the Proms, hence the silly article in RT and the subsequent straw man controversies they have generated. The number of times "the Proms" are mentioned during and between programmes these days on Radio 3 is quite extraordinary. All output that can be is completely tailored to cross-promotion. It's all about PR tie-ins - nothing for us lovers of classical music and other genres to get too worked up about. I'm not averse to the odd Ibiza dance anthem.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

What's a "genuine" performance?

Not Beyoncé singing The Star Spangled Banner.

[MrGongGong]

Not Beyoncé singing The Star Spangled Banner.

It's "genuinely" something for sure

How about if it was in 9/8?

[french frank]

I'm not averse to the odd Ibiza dance anthem.

Isn't this 90% what it's all about? If people actually like, or aren't averse to, a particular kind of music, they'll put up with it anywhere, Proms, granny's funeral, graduation ceremony, consecration of the house. If they don't like it, just don't play it anywhere where they want to listen.

The more I hear other people's taste in music, the more I realise I don't actually like music. I'd prefer to sit in silence than listen to most of it.

[teamsaint]

teamsaint #296


Has the BBC/Radio3 actually said this? I have always understood that popular music proms were introduced as the means of bringing in new audiences to classical music. By their (the BBC) reasoning, that is.

If what you say were the aim and they were honest about it and if the performance were genuine, I wouldn’t too much mind a few pop, rock, dance or whatever Proms but not ‘re-arranged for orchestra’ as if to make it look suitable for the Proms. It’s the pretence (and the lie) that is the worst thing about this and other non-classical / non-Radio3 music Proms.

Perhaps they haven't said this.
I just have a basic assumption that music put on for performance , particularly in this kind of context, is tending to reach out to new audiences, in that case offering dance music to a classical audience.
Why bother, other than to sell tickets?

Oh......

But yes, I think much of this has ( as was displayed by SKs unwarranted comments) an element of dishonesty about it.

[Serial_Apologist]

Isn't this 90% what it's all about? If people actually like, or aren't averse to, a particular kind of music, they'll put up with it anywhere, Proms, granny's funeral, graduation ceremony, consecration of the house. If they don't like it, just don't play it anywhere where they want to listen.

The more I hear other people's taste in music, the more I realise I don't actually like music. I'd prefer to sit in silence than listen to most of it.

I can't really believe you seriously mean what you've written there, ff. You've been such a stalwart supporter of Radio 3 As She Once Was, and those of us raised on her musical and other output, and the thinking behind that.

[Serial_Apologist]

I just have a basic assumption that music put on for performance , particularly in this kind of context, is tending to reach out to new audiences, in that case offering dance music to a classical audience.
Why bother, other than to sell tickets?

If you're right, and that's the intention, I'm certain they will have failed miserably unless the character and taste formation process of the "classical audience" has changed completely since I went to the Proms in the 1960s.

[teamsaint]

If you're right, and that's the intention, I'm certain they will have failed miserably unless the character and taste formation process of the "classical audience" has changed completely since I went to the Proms in the 1960s.

I think there is likely a serious flaw in my basic assumption, S-A.

It wouldn't be the first time.

[french frank]

I can't really believe you seriously mean what you've written there, ff. You've been such a stalwart supporter of Radio 3 As She Once Was, and those of us raised on her musical and other output, and the thinking behind that.

Now I see how it could be read, no, I don't mean it But I am sufficiently alienated from Radio 3 that I feel I can't 'trust' it musically in the way I used to.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It's "genuinely" something for sure

How about if it was in 9/8?

It was mimed.

[Simon Biazeck]

"Mother, the Ibiza prom's started and Petroc Trelawney and Katie Derham are off their heads and waving glow sticks !!!"

[pilamenon]

Isn't this 90% what it's all about? If people actually like, or aren't averse to, a particular kind of music, they'll put up with it anywhere, Proms, granny's funeral, graduation ceremony, consecration of the house. If they don't like it, just don't play it anywhere where they want to listen.

The more I hear other people's taste in music, the more I realise I don't actually like music. I'd prefer to sit in silence than listen to most of it.

By "not averse to", I wasn't suggesting I'd be happy to hear it anywhere, but that I can appreciate it in the right context (the Proms not being it!).

But I am sufficiently alienated from Radio 3 that I feel I can't 'trust' it musically in the way I used to.

I know what you mean.