Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The Ibiza audience is being invited to be part of the greater music audience represented by the Proms. Their welcome to that body by R3 is a step in the direction of mutual understanding, and can enable further educative steps to take place. That R3 should be the instigator of such a welcoming gesture surely indicates its intentions for genuine inclusivity, and places the onus for reciprocal action on the popular stations. R3 and R4 already have an arrangement.

If that turns out to be the case - great. Time will tell.

[Richard Tarleton]

But there is a direct line of descent from the refrain of Byrd's Though Amaryllis Dance in Green - 'heigh ho, chill love no more!'

Pedantic query, in the hope of enlightenment: jean, I've always taken - perhaps wrongly - chill to be an adjective in this context, as in chilly, not (in the sense implied above) an imperative verb? The translators into French and German in the booklet with my Barbara Bonney/Phantasm CD, don't seem to agree on what it means - heho, Liebe beschwer' mein Herz nicht mehr and hé ho, finies les cruelles amours.....

[rauschwerk]

Pedantic query, in the hope of enlightenment: jean, I've always taken - perhaps wrongly - chill to be an adjective in this context, as in chilly, not (in the sense implied above) an imperative verb? The translators into French and German in the booklet with my Barbara Bonney/Phantasm CD, don't seem to agree on what it means - heho, Liebe beschwer' mein Herz nicht mehr and hé ho, finies les cruelles amours.....

It's supposed to be 'chill and it means I'll: see http://hompi.sogang.ac.kr/anthony/books/Ren7.htm

[french frank]

The Ibiza audience is being invited to be part of the greater music audience represented by the Proms. Their welcome to that body by R3 is a step in the direction of mutual understanding, and can enable further educative steps to take place. That R3 should be the instigator of such a welcoming gesture surely indicates its intentions for genuine inclusivity, and places the onus for reciprocal action on the popular stations. R3 and R4 already have an arrangement.

It's an interpretation of the facts. I don't accept it as being very likely. I don't see any signs of reciprocal action at the Radio 1 Ibiza Weekend, for instance (an ideal occasion, one would have thought), which starts this Friday. In Ibiza. Like the Late Night Prom, it's all the popular faves.

[Richard Tarleton]

It's supposed to be 'chill and it means I'll: see http://hompi.sogang.ac.kr/anthony/books/Ren7.htm

Many thanks for this!

[rauschwerk]

Many thanks for this!

You're most welcome! It's long been a favourite madrigal of mine to sing, so I forget where I first came across that gloss.

[jean]

It's supposed to be 'chill and it means I'll:

Sorry I didn't explain - I thought everybody knew! (It's very German, isn't it?)

[MrGongGong]

The only thing I have to add is that a friend of mine who usually spends all his time playing mainstream classical chamber music has just posted some things on stalkerbook about how excited he is to be playing in this gig.

[french frank]

The only thing I have to add is that a friend of mine who usually spends all his time playing mainstream classical chamber music has just posted some things on stalkerbook about how excited he is to be playing in this gig.

Probably a new experience for him, since the Proms don't have a lot of opportunities for mainstream classical chamber music. A bit like Bryn Terfel singing Rodgers and Hammerstein?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The only thing I have to add is that a friend of mine who usually spends all his time playing mainstream classical chamber music has just posted some things on stalkerbook about how excited he is to be playing in this gig.

I'm please that he's excited. The orchestra appears to have something of an agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Orchestra

[MrGongGong]

Probably a new experience for him, since the Proms don't have a lot of opportunities for mainstream classical chamber music. A bit like Bryn Terfel singing Rodgers and Hammerstein?

humm

Playing sessions is what many "orchestral" musicians do, all the time.
Another colleague who specialises in playing complex new music for many well known ensembles used to do regular gigs with The Spice Girls and Boyzone. It always struck me as a bit amusing that her week would go something like

Monday: Huddersfield
Tuesday: Teaching postgrad at Music college
Wednesday: New Fernyhough quartet
Thursday: Spice Girls at Wembley
Friday: Philharmonia

etc etc

The idea that somehow this is a terrible injustice is a bit off really.
As is the one that somehow there should be some "reciprocal action" which comes across as pedantic

NO ONE is going to take Beethoven away from those who love it AND many of those who do ALSO love dance music.

Tong is a bit mainstream for my tastes in dance music, a bit like G&S compared to Wagner

[MrGongGong]

I'm please that he's excited. The orchestra appears to have something of an agenda.

Like the OAE then

[french frank]

I suppose one criticism might be that every classical Prom is 'inclusive' - anyone can go if they're interested: any age, any background. But the Radio 1 Prom seems targeted on a particular (young) audience and by definition is not inclusive. On reasoned arguments alone it "shouldn't" be there, at a festival of classical music. But it is, and I can't say that, other than thinking it's a bit of a silly gimmick, it worries me too much.

I do feel the Proms have become bloated and would be improved by being trimmed.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Like the OAE then

The OAE doesn't have a chip on its shoulder.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I do feel the Proms have become bloated and would be improved by being trimmed.

And the more bloated it becomes the more it costs, and that doesn't bode well.