Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[ahinton]

What indeed? IMO it would have been grossly rude for RC to have corrected, then or later.

Fair comment, no doubt, but that hardly excuses such a gaffe, does it? OK, it's not R3's fault or within its control if live interviews include such gaffes on the part of interviewees - but was it live?...

[umslopogaas]

#104, when the eleven seconds are silent, probably not very much of importance. I actually prefer the shorter version, it gives me more time to attend to the dinner. Sometimes, if things on the stove are starting to burn, I play my own edited version of 4'33", which lasts no seconds at all. Strangely, it sounds just the same as the original and is over so much more quickly.

[teamsaint]

#104, when the eleven seconds are silent, probably not very much of importance. I actually prefer the shorter version, it gives me more time to attend to the dinner. Sometimes, if things on the stove are starting to burn, I play my own edited version of 4'33", which lasts no seconds at all. Strangely, it sounds just the same as the original and is over so much more quickly.

ever made the mistake of playing it at 45 instead of 33?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

#104, when the eleven seconds are silent, probably not very much of importance. I actually prefer the shorter version, it gives me more time to attend to the dinner. Sometimes, if things on the stove are starting to burn, I play my own edited version of 4'33", which lasts no seconds at all. Strangely, it sounds just the same as the original and is over so much more quickly.

I've never been keen on the current fashion of playing things too quickly.

[vinteuil]

#104, when the eleven seconds are silent, probably not very much of importance. I actually prefer the shorter version, it gives me more time to attend to the dinner. Sometimes, if things on the stove are starting to burn, I play my own edited version of 4'33", which lasts no seconds at all. Strangely, it sounds just the same as the original and is over so much more quickly.

... given that 4'33" is a three-movement work, surely a lot depends on how long the intervals are between the movements - and, for example, whether there is applause between movements.

[Tony Halstead]

... given that 4'33" is a three-movement work, surely a lot depends on how long the intervals are between the movements - and, for example, whether there is applause between movements.

[umslopogaas]

Thank you, I look forward to studying the revised score. I think that the triple quaver at bar sixteen is under emphasised and there should be slightly more bass boost at the start of the third bar, at the moment you can hardly hear it. Come to think of it, you can hardly hear anything, anywhere? I thought I heard a distant laugh at the beginning and it might have been John Cage having a quiet giggle, but perhaps it was just mushrooms talking among themselves.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

4'33" is far more interesting on LP than on CD, though the letter may come closer to the essense of the score.

[umslopogaas]

I've not thought about the difference between one silence and another, but I suppose silence has quality. I mean, you can have mere plebian silence, the mere absence of noise, and aristocratic silence, which is the merciful relief of not hearing our Old Etonian masters manipulating the legal machinery to secure their superiority.

[ahinton]

I've not thought about the difference between one silence and another, but I suppose silence has quality. I mean, you can have mere plebian silence, the mere absence of noise, and aristocratic silence, which is the merciful relief of not hearing our Old Etonian masters manipulating the legal machinery to secure their superiority.

It might at this point be useful to get back to the thread topic, unless members feel that there's really no more possible stitching to be added to the cobbler's Kleine Suzerainty - except, perhaps, that the silence referred to in these posts about 4'33" is one that would surely have been welcomed from the source that instead gave voice to the kind of stuff that was earlier being taken apart here. having emerged uninvited into the public arena from a certain Den of Suziquity...

[Barbirollians]

Meanwhile in last week's PHilharmonia concert the egregious Petroc described Lawrence Power as the cellist in Mozart's Sinfonia COncertante

[ahinton]

Meanwhile in last week's PHilharmonia concert the egregious Petroc described Lawrence Power as the cellist in Mozart's Sinfonia COncertante

Assuming that this was not some newly subtle kind of viola joke, I am minded to think that, in the light of this and other gaffes such as those to which FF drew attention, one might well be forgiven for wondering if some R3 producers do this kind of thing on occasion as a kind of wind-up of their presenters; I wonder what others here might think about that?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I've not thought about the difference between one silence and another, but I suppose silence has quality. I mean, you can have mere plebian silence, the mere absence of noise, and aristocratic silence, which is the merciful relief of not hearing our Old Etonian masters manipulating the legal machinery to secure their superiority.

My favourite silence is to be found in Wingerworth Parish Church, near Chesterfield. I could happily hear the Cage work there many times over.

[MrGongGong]

Strangely, it sounds just the same as the original and is over so much more quickly.

ooooh no it doesn't

[ahinton]

Strangely, it sounds just the same as the original and is over so much more quickly.

But (to try to return to the thread topic - remember it?!) could one say the same about the outpourings of Ms Klein?...