Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It may seem stuffy of me - but as soon as I hear anyone over 35 saying how much they like rap - I tend to disbelieve them or pity them ! Liz Kendall for example .

My usual response is to say I like sitting next to a pneumatic drill.

[ahinton]

Abso-blooming-lutely

Now there's Brizzle-eze for you, if you lke!

[Gordon]

There's no volume with Klein?

You mean she transparently has no bottle, preferring Eine Klein-e Nichtmusik?

Silly woman. Still there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[Bryn]

Suzy Klein seems to want this to come true

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01mv2zh

Possibly more 'what Katie did next' than de Klein and fall of Radio 3, but otherwise nail on head, I think.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You mean she transparently has no bottle, preferring Eine Klein-e Nichtmusik?

Silly woman. Still there is no such thing as bad publicity.

Yet she's one of the most musically knowledgeable of a potentially high-flying team who are being wasted by the BBC Radio management. She isn't the first to imply snobbery - CB-H did so recently, if a little more obliquely.

[Bryn]

It was, of course, long before the Internet and Twitter, but I suppose there must have been letters to the times when Soft Machine shared a Prom (a proper evening Prom, not a late-nighter) with Intermodulation, back in 1970.

Come to think of it, the Soft Machine contribution to that Prom eventually made it to CD (on the re-vamped re-issue of Third) so maybe the Beeb will sell the rights of the Dance Prom to DGG as a follow-up to their previous cross-over releases?

[MrGongGong]

It was, of course, long before the Internet and Twitter, but I suppose there must have been letters to the times when Soft Machine shared a Prom (a proper evening Prom, not a late-nighter) with Intermodulation, back in 1970.

More of this please

[ahinton]

Yet she's one of the most musically knowledgeable of a potentially high-flying team who are being wasted by the BBC Radio management.

But how true is that, I wonder? Yes, she and CB-H do have some musical credentials but is it really too much to ask why, given these, they seem to have been so willing to nail their colours to the particular BBC Radio management mast that sees dumbing down as a profitable virtue rather than take other more worthwhile gainful employment within their profession that must surely have been open to each, especially given that SK in particular has demonstrated her preparedness to hawk her wares to media channels other than BBC itself?

She isn't the first to imply snobbery - CB-H did so recently, if a little more obliquely.

Not being first does little to dilute the effect, though!

The world of music needs any kind of snobbery or perceived snobbery about as much as any of us needs a hole in the head but, it seems to me, claims for its prevalence are all too often as exaggerated as were reports of the demise of Samuel Langhorne Clemens. When one's raised in a music-free zone as I was and, with a largely clean experiential slate, one suddenly gets blown away by Chopin's F minor Ballade played by John Ogdon, closely followed by Roussel 3 & 4, Ravel's Trio and Mallarmé songs and Stravinsky's Firebird, believe me, there ain't no room for snobbery; when a year or two later, one's being encouraged to discover Boulez and Stockhausen when one's peers at school were gagging for the Beatles and the Stones, there was likewise no room for, or suggestion or evidence of, snobbery. So who needs it - or irresponsibly ill-considered allegations of it - today, especially from someone who's paid to be a BBC R3 presenter? Answers on eine kleine Ansichtskarte, bitte...

[gurnemanz]

It was, of course, long before the Internet and Twitter, but I suppose there must have been letters to the times when Soft Machine shared a Prom (a proper evening Prom, not a late-nighter) with Intermodulation, back in 1970.

Maybe the same Times readers who wrote in when their "classical" music critic, Wlliam Mann, reviewed the Beatles in 1963. I can well remember attending Prof Wilfrid Mellers' series of lectures on the Beatles at York University in 1972. Their producer, George Martin, was classically trained (Guildhall) and had a huge input into their style. I'm not quite sure what the term "classical music", which only started to be used in the 19th Cent, means with reference to contemporary compositions.

[MrGongGong]

I'm not quite sure what the term "classical music", which only started to be used in the 19th Cent, means with reference to contemporary compositions.

Indeed

I always wince a little at the phrase "classically trained" as it seems to get used in odd ways.

[zola]

Tennis fans seem to have more clout, they succeeded in bombing out the revamped style of the Wimbledon highlights programme presented by Clare Balding.

[BBMmk2]

The Proms isa festival of classical music at it's best and so does that mean other genres creep in? I think not. the Proms can always be adventurous but sticking to what it does best, surely?

[MrGongGong]

but sticking to what it does best, surely?

Which includes

All night Indian music
Cage & Cunningham
and Soft Machine

[ahinton]

Possibly more 'what Katie did next' than de Klein and fall of Radio 3, but otherwise nail on head, I think.

Nice one! - and inclemency is by no means limited to today's still stormy weather around these parts...

Maybe as an experiment a presenter-swapping exercise should be attempted, with our favourite and less favourite ones on R3 presenting the Today programme and Jim, John, Sarah, Mishal and Justin trying their hands with TTN, Cornflakes or Muesli, Essential Cat-licks, CotW, Afternoon on 3, Out of Tune at al. Just for a day, you understand. How might anyone think that this would turn out?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Not being first does little to dilute the effect, though!

Indeed not. The more the presenters are trained to repeat the misguided accusations, the more it sticks. These presenters appear to have been brainwashed to brainwash us.

It's wasted on me, because whenever they call me a snob, I take it as a compliment.