Prom 16: Ibiza/Cobblers Prom (29.07.15)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

22:15
Royal Albert Hall

Radio 1's first ever Prom is less concert and more dance-party ? a musical homage to Ibiza and its infectious, energetic brand of club music. 2015 marks the 20th anniversary of Radio 1 in Ibiza, and the BBC Proms celebrate by bringing some of that Balearic ambience to the Royal Albert Hall. Celebrated British DJ Pete Tong introduces two decades' worth of club anthems, re-arranged for orchestra by Jules Buckley, and featuring contributions from chart-topping vocalists John Newman and Ella Eyre.

John Newman (vocalist)
Ella Eyre (vocalist)
Pete Tong (presenter)
Heritage Orchestra
Jules Buckley (conductor).

[Nick Armstrong]

Cobblers, says Suzy Klein

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33425935

Disappointing.

[teamsaint]

Where is the criticism that she is apparently responding to?

Exactly which snobs is she referring to ?

Is she an "audience development manager" in her spare time?

( i thought she didn't like Brahms anyway?)

[Alison]

Disappointing is the word.

I liked her when when she first appeared on the scene.

[french frank]

Well, there now - I was just about to post this has been a good week for rampaging Radio 3 presenters telling listeners they 'need to get over themselves' and now that they are 'self-elected snobs'.

Looking down on others, as she seems to do, seems a definition of snobbery.

[doversoul1]

A sure way of being picked up by the media.

[jayne lee wilson]

Terrible from Klein, yes, classic case of snobbery, inverted or not...
Purest Cant.

It's the newest cliche isn't it? Sneering at any Classical (define Classical, etc.) music lovers who complain about Proms Does Ibiza whilst never answering why Radio 1 doesn't do Beethoven, or Roussel, or Bartok... why does only Radio 3 have to include "everything" (define everything, etc.).

When I listened regularly to Rock, Pop, Dance, Indie etc., I tried to combine or alternate it with Classical, Modern Orchestral etc... but personally I couldn't, even on alternate evenings. For me, the whole ethos of "Art" music was another world from "Commercial" music, however you define them (which isn't easy). If others can do it, well, good for them, but I can't avoid the thought that their take on the Symphonic must be on a different perceptual level, whether superficial, or sincere, or not.

But Ibiza Promtastic is about as superficial, exclusive - or rather excluding, as it gets; and Suzy Klein's silly, vague, self-important attack on listeners who don't want or like it is just modish, a sort of crowdsourcing of lazy opinionation.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Perhaps they are beginning to get defensive, and are anticipating trouble before it arrives.

[french frank]

"Great music festivals must embrace great music, in its many guises."

How many other 'great music festivals' are there, then?

[Hitch]

Does this mean we should expect to hear one or two classical pieces on Later... with Jools Holland?

[jayne lee wilson]

It's the 2nd paragraph reported here on Mixmag that worries you most...

http://www.mixmag.net/read/radio-3-presenter-says-doubters-of-ibiza-bbc-proms-special-are-snobs-news

Well, if anyone has been trying to protect something called Classical Music from "The onslaught of mass entertainment", they, or we, haven't done a great job, have we?

Producers of the Radio 6 Prom, or Ibiza, or 1Xtra love their music and hope to attract others to it, of course - but they have no idea how much valuable and beautiful music, orchestral and otherwise, is now being left out - or was never given a hearing at The Proms in the first place... and some R3 presenters, far less forgivably, are conniving in, and cheering on, that ignorance.

But with BBC funding under even further attack from government, it can only get worse.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Does this mean we should expect to hear one or two classical pieces on Later... with Jools Holland?

Sometimes I despair that those in the ivory towers seem quite unaware of the damage they do. The "flexibility" they imply is entirely one-way traffic

[Hitch]

It's heartening to hear a Radio 3 presenter argue for the inclusion of classical music at pop and rock festivals. Classical music's soaring melodies and catchy tempi are just as much fun as Skrillex and Deadmaus's electronic sorties. Music is universal and...

Wait. Sorry - other way round.

[teamsaint]

Well JLW is so right of course. Dance music really doesn't need the late night Proms.

But there is endless music that does fit the Prom s that never gets a look in. Christopher Rouse. He needs and deserves a Proms outing for his brilliant music. Him and hundreds of others.
But I guess his time will come. Henry Cowell only had to be dead 50 years before his Proms debut.

As for the " who says you're not allowed to enjoy all of it" ...., well thats nobody. Nobody says that.

[french frank]

It's the 2nd paragraph reported here on Mixmag that worries you most...

There's a surprise: Mixmag gives her their backing …

I'm still not clear who she's talking about: she just seems to be stirring up trouble.